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Yeah? How about from the inside? https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/06/08/china-uncovers-massive-underground-network-apple-employees-selling-customers-personal-d

Yeah? How about from the inside? https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/06/08/china-uncovers-massive-underground-network-apple-employees-selling-customers-personal-data/ https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/06/08/china-uncovers-massive...

eridius 9y ago
That's... not a hack. That's just employees improperly accessing information about customers and selling it. You'll note that the information is things that Apple naturally has access to like names / phone numbers / Apple IDs, rather than private data stored on customers' devices or in iCloud. No hacking necessary to get this, just breaking internal policy and some laws.
- a_imho 9y ago
  Of the 22 suspects, 20 were Apple employees ... The suspects, who worked in direct marketing and outsourcing for Apple in China I'm not sure these people should have access to private information by default. You are arguing semantics, it was illegal access of private data on Apple's watch. Even if you do not consider it a hack (~fud), iCloud is in the news again, which was the original point. BTW, to me, taking it at face value, it reads like Apple had no idea what is going on and it was all the work of the police.
  - eridius 9y ago
    Employees doing unauthorized things with information that they have access to is not hacking. And iCloud is not in the news again. That article had literally nothing at all to do with iCloud; it didn't even mention it.
    - a_imho 9y ago
      You are right, the article does not mention iCloud specifically. Just because some of the suspects are Apple employees it does not disqualifies it as a hack, but we can agree to disagree on the definition. Apple employees selling private info is much more of a reason not to trust the company with your data, mind.
      - eridius 9y ago
        Apple employees selling basic customer information (e.g. name, phone number) is something that can happen at literally any company, and is not a reason to not trust Apple with your data. Now if the company itself was selling this info, sure, don't trust them, but these employees were not doing this on behalf of the company. Any company can end up with rogue employees.
        a_imho 9y ago
        Definitely not, that is Apple employees/suppliers/vendors/other 3rd party people selling private data (users’ names, phone numbers, Apple IDs, and other data) for $7M+. It can't happen at any company and it is an obvious reason not to trust them. It is not a rouge employee, there were 22 people involved. Either they were hacked, or they were basically employing/contracting criminals.
        eridius 9y ago
        User's names, phone numbers, Apple IDs, are all just basic customer information. Rogue employees at any company can sell off customer information. And yes, 22 people, that work at a large company. It shouldn't strain credulity to believe that a company that has over 100 thousand employees can end up with a handful of dishonest ones. This doesn't mean they were hacked. And yes, they were employing criminals, by definition, because the thing those employees did was a criminal act. Presumably they weren't criminals when they were hired though.

eridius 9y ago

That's... not a hack. That's just employees improperly accessing information about customers and selling it. You'll note that the information is things that Apple naturally has access to like names / phone numbers / Apple IDs, rather than private data stored on customers' devices or in iCloud. No hacking necessary to get this, just breaking internal policy and some laws.

a_imho 9y ago
Of the 22 suspects, 20 were Apple employees ... The suspects, who worked in direct marketing and outsourcing for Apple in China I'm not sure these people should have access to private information by default. You are arguing semantics, it was illegal access of private data on Apple's watch. Even if you do not consider it a hack (~fud), iCloud is in the news again, which was the original point. BTW, to me, taking it at face value, it reads like Apple had no idea what is going on and it was all the work of the police.
- eridius 9y ago
  Employees doing unauthorized things with information that they have access to is not hacking. And iCloud is not in the news again. That article had literally nothing at all to do with iCloud; it didn't even mention it.
  - a_imho 9y ago
    You are right, the article does not mention iCloud specifically. Just because some of the suspects are Apple employees it does not disqualifies it as a hack, but we can agree to disagree on the definition. Apple employees selling private info is much more of a reason not to trust the company with your data, mind.
    - eridius 9y ago
      Apple employees selling basic customer information (e.g. name, phone number) is something that can happen at literally any company, and is not a reason to not trust Apple with your data. Now if the company itself was selling this info, sure, don't trust them, but these employees were not doing this on behalf of the company. Any company can end up with rogue employees.
      - a_imho 9y ago
        Definitely not, that is Apple employees/suppliers/vendors/other 3rd party people selling private data (users’ names, phone numbers, Apple IDs, and other data) for $7M+. It can't happen at any company and it is an obvious reason not to trust them. It is not a rouge employee, there were 22 people involved. Either they were hacked, or they were basically employing/contracting criminals.
        eridius 9y ago
        User's names, phone numbers, Apple IDs, are all just basic customer information. Rogue employees at any company can sell off customer information. And yes, 22 people, that work at a large company. It shouldn't strain credulity to believe that a company that has over 100 thousand employees can end up with a handful of dishonest ones. This doesn't mean they were hacked. And yes, they were employing criminals, by definition, because the thing those employees did was a criminal act. Presumably they weren't criminals when they were hired though.