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What I am saying is that the theft discussion is defined by society and the laws of society. So you can't claim that Tax is theft.

• VMG 9y ago
  Then neither is tax avoidance.
  • ThomPete 9y ago
    Not naturally no. Only be the law of society just like ownership is given by society and doesn't exist "out there" I was responding to a claim that tax is theft if theft is defined by involuntarily giving something up.