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Hacker news used to be a site with optimistic people, entrepreneurs, people that did stuff, people that built stuff... now it's all whining about people that ar

Hacker news used to be a site with optimistic people, entrepreneurs, people that did stuff, people that built stuff... now it's all whining about people that are actually doing things. It makes me think of the roosevelt speech... It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. does anyone here have anything constructive to add?

659087 9y ago
In this case, the "dust, sweat and blood" could end up on the face of someone suffering from depression who ends up in an even worse situation as a result of that "move fast and break things" entrepreneurial spirit. This is a field where you're literally playing with peoples' lives. Your "daring failure" could result in suffering and/or death for those people. If you think you should be free to do that without criticism, maybe it's time to learn a thing or two about "ethics".
wcummings 9y ago
Maybe everyone has just grown up.
nisa 9y ago
Solving a societal problem that is pretty complex and not very well understood with a computer interface to reduce costs instead of fixing the system to accommendate for real change might raise some criticism. Depressed from your 2 part time jobs and driving Uber? There's an app for that! Oh, don't use it now - 4chan managed to learn the AI and now it's giving junk advice. What about working for a better society that accomendates people instead of building crutches to maintain the problematic status quo while trying to make some money for yourself and your friends?
jmngomes 9y ago
Why do you think that people raising ethical concerns about business practices is not constructive?

659087 9y ago

In this case, the "dust, sweat and blood" could end up on the face of someone suffering from depression who ends up in an even worse situation as a result of that "move fast and break things" entrepreneurial spirit. This is a field where you're literally playing with peoples' lives. Your "daring failure" could result in suffering and/or death for those people. If you think you should be free to do that without criticism, maybe it's time to learn a thing or two about "ethics".

wcummings 9y ago

Maybe everyone has just grown up.

nisa 9y ago

Solving a societal problem that is pretty complex and not very well understood with a computer interface to reduce costs instead of fixing the system to accommendate for real change might raise some criticism. Depressed from your 2 part time jobs and driving Uber? There's an app for that! Oh, don't use it now - 4chan managed to learn the AI and now it's giving junk advice. What about working for a better society that accomendates people instead of building crutches to maintain the problematic status quo while trying to make some money for yourself and your friends?

jmngomes 9y ago

Why do you think that people raising ethical concerns about business practices is not constructive?