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At this point (and really, long before this point) any ethical engineer would have left this company. Those remaining are tacitly condoning this type of activit

by bjl 9y ago

At this point (and really, long before this point) any ethical engineer would have left this company. Those remaining are tacitly condoning this type of activity, and should take a long hard look at their priorities.

antjanus 9y ago
That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Leave the company, stop using it, and fuck everything else. I realize that leaving a job isn't easy but an engineer that makes it to Uber is probably more than capable jumping ship.
- bjl 9y ago
  > I realize that leaving a job isn't easy but an engineer that makes it to Uber is probably more than capable jumping ship. Who knows how long that will be the case. Nowadays, I imagine a prolonged employment at Uber is a serious black mark on a resume.
employee8000 9y ago
No, this is bullshit. Since I joined, Uber has been behaving very ethically. Yes, there have been problems, which are mainly with unchecked culture in some groups, but I think things have turned around for the entire company. There have been major issues with a very aggressive culture but unlike most other companies, the management is really trying to change things. We will see if any differences are really made but I'm optimistic. All you hear about from the media is the shitty things from the past, but if you had visibility into the great things that uber does that I see every day, you would think differently. Case in point, the new exec from Apple and the Harvard business professor who both joined this week. They have complete clarity into what kind of company Uber is right now, and they both joined. Yes, Uber has made mistakes in the past, but since 2015 I think it has really grown up. It has issues just like any other large company but unlike other companies, they have aired their dirty laundry and is at least trying to change. I have no qualms with working for Uber and i have no trouble with my ethics or morals working here. If someone has a bigoted view on Uber or Uber employees without knowing all the facts, then I have no issues never working for or with them, because they probably have other unchecked bigoted views as well, and would probably be terrible to work with.
- gpawl 9y ago
  Are these not since 2015? http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-scandal-recap-2017-3/#friday-february-24-losing-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-scandal-recap-2017-3/#fr...
- mikeisaacNYT 9y ago
  I'm a reporter for the New York Times. You are dead wrong. This account is accurate. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/asia/uber-driver-in-india-is-found-guilty-of-rape.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/asia/uber-driver-in... I imagine you're a lower-to-mid-level employee and don't have knowledge of this incident firsthand.
  - employee8000 9y ago
    When did I say that the account was wrong?
    - kevinburke 9y ago
      I think he read "This is bullshit" and assumed you were referring to the report in the article, not the comment you actually replied to.
    - urbanj 9y ago
      Well done for typifying the culture at Uber.
    - sctb 9y ago
      Personal attacks are not OK on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - urbanj 9y ago
        I guess as an Uber employee, he gets away with a light warning, as that's what Uber employees typically get after crossing a line.

by bjl 9y ago

antjanus 9y ago

That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Leave the company, stop using it, and fuck everything else. I realize that leaving a job isn't easy but an engineer that makes it to Uber is probably more than capable jumping ship.

bjl 9y ago
> I realize that leaving a job isn't easy but an engineer that makes it to Uber is probably more than capable jumping ship. Who knows how long that will be the case. Nowadays, I imagine a prolonged employment at Uber is a serious black mark on a resume.

employee8000 9y ago

No, this is bullshit. Since I joined, Uber has been behaving very ethically. Yes, there have been problems, which are mainly with unchecked culture in some groups, but I think things have turned around for the entire company. There have been major issues with a very aggressive culture but unlike most other companies, the management is really trying to change things. We will see if any differences are really made but I'm optimistic. All you hear about from the media is the shitty things from the past, but if you had visibility into the great things that uber does that I see every day, you would think differently. Case in point, the new exec from Apple and the Harvard business professor who both joined this week. They have complete clarity into what kind of company Uber is right now, and they both joined. Yes, Uber has made mistakes in the past, but since 2015 I think it has really grown up. It has issues just like any other large company but unlike other companies, they have aired their dirty laundry and is at least trying to change. I have no qualms with working for Uber and i have no trouble with my ethics or morals working here. If someone has a bigoted view on Uber or Uber employees without knowing all the facts, then I have no issues never working for or with them, because they probably have other unchecked bigoted views as well, and would probably be terrible to work with.

gpawl 9y ago
Are these not since 2015? http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-scandal-recap-2017-3/#friday-february-24-losing-the-benefit-of-the-doubt-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-scandal-recap-2017-3/#fr...
mikeisaacNYT 9y ago
I'm a reporter for the New York Times. You are dead wrong. This account is accurate. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/asia/uber-driver-in-india-is-found-guilty-of-rape.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/21/world/asia/uber-driver-in... I imagine you're a lower-to-mid-level employee and don't have knowledge of this incident firsthand.
- employee8000 9y ago
  When did I say that the account was wrong?
  - kevinburke 9y ago
    I think he read "This is bullshit" and assumed you were referring to the report in the article, not the comment you actually replied to.
  - urbanj 9y ago
    Well done for typifying the culture at Uber.
  - sctb 9y ago
    Personal attacks are not OK on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - urbanj 9y ago
      I guess as an Uber employee, he gets away with a light warning, as that's what Uber employees typically get after crossing a line.