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I think females are also known to under-report as well but its hard to know who under reports more. I meant it more as an analogy than anything else. I've seen

I think females are also known to under-report as well but its hard to know who under reports more. I meant it more as an analogy than anything else. I've seen the "but what about X" argument being used a lot lately where X and Y are the same issue that affect different groups and both are deserving of attention but one is more (maybe much more) prevalent than the other. As a means to derail a discussion of Y someone says "but what about X?" so a discussion becomes so broad and general as to be totally meaningless. In this situation, rather than being able to focus on an issue that many women face, you end up in a discussion about all of humanity and genders and personalities that will likely never address any issue at all. I have room in my head to be concerned with issues that affect different people and talking about them in the context of one group does not imply other groups do not matter but some people act as it does.

weberc2 9y ago
Females are also known to underreport, but we know that males underreport to a greater degree (or so I've read in several academic papers). > I meant it more as an analogy than anything else. I understand, and my post was a digression, but I felt it important because I was shocked when I learned the severity of the problem.
- okreallywtf 9y ago
  I agree, it needs to be talked about and I would say most of the stigma comes from other men (though surely not all).
  - weberc2 9y ago
    I mean, the stigma has probably been around for tens of thousands of years in the form of masculinity. Bravery and courage probably evolved because men had to do all of the risky hunting and defense and so societies which rewarded make sacrifice and success flourished and the others largely died out.
    - okreallywtf 9y ago
      Agreed, but that doesn't necessarily have as much of a place in modern society or at least there are limits to how many jobs/lifestyles reward those traits. In the same way that women can be frustrated by an unattainable feminine ideal portrayed by media, men face the same dilemma at the opposite end of the spectrum.

weberc2 9y ago

Females are also known to underreport, but we know that males underreport to a greater degree (or so I've read in several academic papers). > I meant it more as an analogy than anything else. I understand, and my post was a digression, but I felt it important because I was shocked when I learned the severity of the problem.

okreallywtf 9y ago
I agree, it needs to be talked about and I would say most of the stigma comes from other men (though surely not all).
- weberc2 9y ago
  I mean, the stigma has probably been around for tens of thousands of years in the form of masculinity. Bravery and courage probably evolved because men had to do all of the risky hunting and defense and so societies which rewarded make sacrifice and success flourished and the others largely died out.
  - okreallywtf 9y ago
    Agreed, but that doesn't necessarily have as much of a place in modern society or at least there are limits to how many jobs/lifestyles reward those traits. In the same way that women can be frustrated by an unattainable feminine ideal portrayed by media, men face the same dilemma at the opposite end of the spectrum.