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What's really interesting is that you felt the need to insist that there must be no sexism here because it happens to everyone, and that the person in the audie
by Certhas 9y ago
What's really interesting is that you felt the need to insist that there must be no sexism here because it happens to everyone, and that the person in the audience who described her and the audiences reaction is simply imagining the asymmetry.
Fallacy of symmetry.
Show me a sequence like what happens from 1:03 to 1:06 (the shout out) to her for the men in attendance. This is also not a case of women not speaking up. She repeatedly tries to answer, tries to interject and get a word in. I didn't watch the entire video, but I failed to see any comparable sequences.
I think in general you're not wrong that there is more generally shitty behaviour than explicitly discriminating behaviour. The right way to go about this is to make a better atmosphere for everyone. We all benefit if the quiet person in the room gets heard, too, and if ideas are properly attributed. This is anyway something we should strive for, and it's great that it also improves the experience of people who were not socialized to inject themselves forcefully, or even socialized to not inject themselves forcefully. Because sexist ideas and behaviours persist in our society these people tend to be women more often, thus the shitty behaviour of alpha nerds hurts women more than men (even if they do them to everyone). That's also why I'm not a big fan of calling people out as sexist.
This moderator was particularly egregious though.
- obstacle1 9y ago>there must be no sexism here because it happens to everyone, and that the person in the audience who described her and the audiences reaction is simply imagining the asymmetry. The talking-over happened to everyone, and there is no evidence that the specific talking-over of the female panelist was for reasons any different from the talking-overs of the male panelists. Therefore the talking-over is not itself evidence of sexism. In addition there are no other behaviors that indicate sexism specifically over the course of the video. So it is baffling how anyone can conclude that the talking-over of the female panelist was sexist, unless we are imagining things. The video is right there -- we don't need to rely on someone's written account, unreliable narrator and all that -- and I've given examples of similarly dominating moderator behavior in another comment.