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Pedantry mode: All of this surveillance is exactly what the Stasi _dreamed_ of doing. (I fully agree with your point; however, I'd argue that the (relative, ba

by lb1lf 9y ago

Pedantry mode: All of this surveillance is exactly what the Stasi _dreamed_ of doing. (I fully agree with your point; however, I'd argue that the (relative, back then) lack of digital storage and communication made gathering of information much, much harder back then than it is now - even for the Stasi.)

dom0 9y ago
In a Person of Interest episode an ex-Stasi officer was amazed by surveillance cameras, "These small cameras ... they're extraordinary. The Stasi would have killed for this technology!" Fun-fact: The Stasi installed Caesium-based gamma ray scanners in some border checkpoints. To this day no one knows for sure how strong the radiation exposure was.
Consultant32452 9y ago
The Stasi would've likely loved these tools, but I'm not sure they're necessary. The point of the Stasi behavior was to instill fear in the masses, to turn neighbor against neighbor. The fact that the average citizen today is hardly even aware of things like printer dots means it's serving a different purpose.
- lb1lf 9y ago
  Then again, it could be argued that the need to instil fear in the masses arose precisely as they didn't have the resources to scrutinize all the people all the time. ( So they needed to make sure all the people expected to be under surveillance all the time, to keep them from doing anything undesirable (to the state, that is) while not being watched.) IIRC the Stasi had a hard time connecting the dots (pun not intended) as the massive data sets mostly existed on file cards. Today's problem is somewhat different: You've got loads of data, you've got the means to rapidly search and index it - but still, for some reason or the other, massive data collection doesn't appear to lead to much by way of desirable (to the populace, that is) results - actual terrorists apprehended, actual conspiracies unearthed, etc. A cynic would assume that means the data is collected for other, more nefarious purposes. Cough.
  - unholythree 9y ago
    I agree. Without moralizing on the motives, it seems like the objective of establishing an institution like the Stasi is control. If you can have that control with a velvet glove and spare the resentment so much the better.
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by lb1lf 9y ago

dom0 9y ago

In a Person of Interest episode an ex-Stasi officer was amazed by surveillance cameras, "These small cameras ... they're extraordinary. The Stasi would have killed for this technology!" Fun-fact: The Stasi installed Caesium-based gamma ray scanners in some border checkpoints. To this day no one knows for sure how strong the radiation exposure was.

Consultant32452 9y ago

The Stasi would've likely loved these tools, but I'm not sure they're necessary. The point of the Stasi behavior was to instill fear in the masses, to turn neighbor against neighbor. The fact that the average citizen today is hardly even aware of things like printer dots means it's serving a different purpose.

lb1lf 9y ago
Then again, it could be argued that the need to instil fear in the masses arose precisely as they didn't have the resources to scrutinize all the people all the time. ( So they needed to make sure all the people expected to be under surveillance all the time, to keep them from doing anything undesirable (to the state, that is) while not being watched.) IIRC the Stasi had a hard time connecting the dots (pun not intended) as the massive data sets mostly existed on file cards. Today's problem is somewhat different: You've got loads of data, you've got the means to rapidly search and index it - but still, for some reason or the other, massive data collection doesn't appear to lead to much by way of desirable (to the populace, that is) results - actual terrorists apprehended, actual conspiracies unearthed, etc. A cynic would assume that means the data is collected for other, more nefarious purposes. Cough.
- unholythree 9y ago
  I agree. Without moralizing on the motives, it seems like the objective of establishing an institution like the Stasi is control. If you can have that control with a velvet glove and spare the resentment so much the better.
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