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It was an absolutely stunning film. Love the sheer amount of design effort that went into it, it really paid off. So much polish at every level.

ekianjo 9y ago
> It was an absolutely stunning film. Except for the storyline, which is way less interesting than the original.
awjr 9y ago
Loved every minute of it until the last 5 minutes, where they went so far away from the original story line, it would be like remaking Star Wars and having Luke turning to the darkside.
- throwawaysw 9y ago
  > it would be like remaking Star Wars and having Luke turning to the darkside. That sounds like a better movie tbh
  - Cthulhu_ 9y ago
    Well it is the plot of the prequels...
    - the_af 9y ago
      ...which were pretty bad. So we can rule out this idea! :)
      - qbrass 9y ago
        That's not why they were bad. They built up decades of expectations and not only dropped the ball, but threw it to the ground and decided to write what sells toys instead.
        the_af 9y ago
        Agreed, my comment was tongue in cheek. But at least we agree the prequels were terrible!
- Tharkun 9y ago
  Only the last 5 minutes? Did we watch the same movie? The plot, to me, looked like it was written by someone who watched the original while drunk.
  - partisan 9y ago
    I remember thinking that whoever made this movie must have hated the original movie. I guess it is a gamble the director has to take: to be remembered as a great director, you can't simply remake movies verbatim. You have to put your spin on it and hope people think you made something greater than the original. The movie did not capture the feeling of the original movie nor did it seem convincing as a future reality the way the original does. Btw, hologram ads featured in a COD Advanced Warfare Tokyo map a few years ago. Given the color scheme of the movie and that of the map, I would not be surprised if the map was a bit of inspiration for the movie's designers.
    - saiya-jin 9y ago
      I don't mind if something is omitted ie for time reasons (although this is usually issue with book -> movie, not anime -> movie). I have though problem with changing perfectly working parts of story for something else, which is always a lost battle. Some personal examples from the movie - the fight with garbagemen, the moment when one of them used special AP ammo to destroy Section 9 truck. It could have been such a cool moment. I still recall it from anime after 16 years. Or the fight with spider tank, its defeat by Batou. Why Aramaki kept talking in japanese and everybody else in english - if they used some automatic brain translators, they could have spent 15 seconds of story explaining this, ie show some immigrants speaking their own language.
- kakarot 9y ago
  The entire plot was absolute crap, but to be fair this isn't the first time we've seen Major defect and become an enemy of her country.
- njharman 9y ago
  Isn't that what Luke does? Later, like in the movies coming out now. I thought in the EU, he ends the Jedi Order and merges the teaching of Light and Dark into one discipline. but I'm no SWexpert.
Fricken 9y ago
I thought it was stunning film too. It's rewarding to see someone else who felt that way. Both at the nerd end and the not-nerd end of things GITS find little reception, which makes me disappoint for the full-condition of humanity, in way I'm not to articulate well.
- fapjacks 9y ago
  The storyline was awful.
  - Fricken 9y ago
    So many stories to be fit to such a richly imagined future. It's like a choose your own adventure!
- PhasmaFelis 9y ago
  Stunning visual design is great, but it needs to be coupled to a good plot, a good movie, to get recognition.
  - intoverflow2 9y ago
    Thing is the original succeeds in all this and feels as fresh today as it did on release. The 2017 version feels entirely unnecessary. (Yes I understand all the reasons commercially why it was remade, no those don't change my opinions on the matter.)
- the_af 9y ago
  I can't speak for the general public, but as for the nerds (ok, specifically for me): probably because the new movie was not on par, either in style or philosophy, with the 1995 movie?
  - lee 9y ago
    Exactly. The total running time of the remake was more than the original movie, yet somehow said a lot less. Aside from the visuals, the movie was embarassingly mediocre.
crdb 9y ago
I'm going to take an unpopular stance here but I must disagree, at least to the extent that whilst details were done relatively well (although no better than, say, Total Recall's recent remake) the photography was not. Here's a simple example: the chase scene to the water [1] vs [2]. In the first, you have a whopping 3 layers of background, the white water, the dark slum, the city in the back (and perhaps an extra layer of city) giving the scene immensity and depth. Even the proportion in which these layers cut the screen (each increasing in height and implied size with distance) help give further depth. The main character is clearly contrasted (including earlier [3]) and thus easily followed, with the eye naturally falling upon the action. The drawing is neat and the spirit carries over to the sound: the fight is punctuated by long periods of silence both of the ear and of movement ("Music is the space between the notes." - Debussy - to say nothing of the enormous importance of empty space in both Chinese and Japanese art e.g. [5]). I'll let you take a look at the movie version and see if you can find an understanding of these elements. Here's an unrelated example of what I mean by the spirit being done well: [4]. Listen to both the steamroller-like momentum, and the way in which the lower voice emerge from the texture about halfway. It is actually incredibly difficult to play like this reliably despite the relative technical ease of the work, Gilels almost makes it sound like he took one, maybe two breaths only (a subtle change of texture splits the work). [1] http://www.mangauk.com/gallery/albums/album-19/lg/gits_124.png http://www.mangauk.com/gallery/albums/album-19/lg/gits_124.p... [2] http://sm.ign.com/t/ign_nordic/video/g/ghost-in-t/ghost-in-the-shell-water-fight-clip_en8r.640.jpg http://sm.ign.com/t/ign_nordic/video/g/ghost-in-t/ghost-in-t... [3] http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/10635_4.jpg http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/10635_4.jpg - literally framed! [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu06WnXlPCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu06WnXlPCY [5] http://www.theartwolf.com/landscapes/hasegawa-tohaku-pine-trees.htm http://www.theartwolf.com/landscapes/hasegawa-tohaku-pine-tr... More examples: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yHfLyMAHrQE/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yHfLyMAHrQE/maxresdefault.jpg http://thecabot.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/the-godfather-1.jpg http://thecabot.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/the-godfather... https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/bn/hi/lo/wd/yojimbo-1200-1200-675-675-crop-000000.jpg?k=092168c692 https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/bn/hi/lo/wd/yojimbo-1... http://moviemezzanine.com/wp-content/uploads/spirited-2.jpg http://moviemezzanine.com/wp-content/uploads/spirited-2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DQuW037.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DQuW037.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K0c2HJ4AO6o/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K0c2HJ4AO6o/maxresdefault.jpg
patchzer0 9y ago
I have to give my two cents. I've have been a die hard fan of the franchise. I've seen multiple times: all 4 movies (original, Innocence Solid State Society and "The new Movie), the 2 animated series (SAC) and the OVA (ARISE). The live action ironically failed for me because it tried to please the fans too much. Literally more the half of the movie scenes were taken from one of the source materials I mentioned above. This would be OK, but for someone that noticed where they came from it felt like they were all forced. I loved the series because every new iteration added to the one before. However, for this one it seemed that they were just lazy. Plot wise it was on par for GitS, because most of time it's not very interesting. Whats interesting of the series is the possibilities and consequences of the tech they introduce (plugging your brain to the net, hacking eyes, cloning pigs with human organs, uploading your ghost to the net, trafficking prosthetic, etc) <rant> One last thing, they didn't add the chopper/airplane fly by at the beginning of the film. All series/movies since the 1995 original start with a chopper/airplane fly by. That really messed with me for some reason. It's like something you expect. </rant>

ekianjo 9y ago

> It was an absolutely stunning film. Except for the storyline, which is way less interesting than the original.

awjr 9y ago

Loved every minute of it until the last 5 minutes, where they went so far away from the original story line, it would be like remaking Star Wars and having Luke turning to the darkside.

throwawaysw 9y ago
> it would be like remaking Star Wars and having Luke turning to the darkside. That sounds like a better movie tbh
- Cthulhu_ 9y ago
  Well it is the plot of the prequels...
  - the_af 9y ago
    ...which were pretty bad. So we can rule out this idea! :)
    - qbrass 9y ago
      That's not why they were bad. They built up decades of expectations and not only dropped the ball, but threw it to the ground and decided to write what sells toys instead.
      - the_af 9y ago
        Agreed, my comment was tongue in cheek. But at least we agree the prequels were terrible!
Tharkun 9y ago
Only the last 5 minutes? Did we watch the same movie? The plot, to me, looked like it was written by someone who watched the original while drunk.
- partisan 9y ago
  I remember thinking that whoever made this movie must have hated the original movie. I guess it is a gamble the director has to take: to be remembered as a great director, you can't simply remake movies verbatim. You have to put your spin on it and hope people think you made something greater than the original. The movie did not capture the feeling of the original movie nor did it seem convincing as a future reality the way the original does. Btw, hologram ads featured in a COD Advanced Warfare Tokyo map a few years ago. Given the color scheme of the movie and that of the map, I would not be surprised if the map was a bit of inspiration for the movie's designers.
  - saiya-jin 9y ago
    I don't mind if something is omitted ie for time reasons (although this is usually issue with book -> movie, not anime -> movie). I have though problem with changing perfectly working parts of story for something else, which is always a lost battle. Some personal examples from the movie - the fight with garbagemen, the moment when one of them used special AP ammo to destroy Section 9 truck. It could have been such a cool moment. I still recall it from anime after 16 years. Or the fight with spider tank, its defeat by Batou. Why Aramaki kept talking in japanese and everybody else in english - if they used some automatic brain translators, they could have spent 15 seconds of story explaining this, ie show some immigrants speaking their own language.
kakarot 9y ago
The entire plot was absolute crap, but to be fair this isn't the first time we've seen Major defect and become an enemy of her country.
njharman 9y ago
Isn't that what Luke does? Later, like in the movies coming out now. I thought in the EU, he ends the Jedi Order and merges the teaching of Light and Dark into one discipline. but I'm no SWexpert.

Fricken 9y ago

I thought it was stunning film too. It's rewarding to see someone else who felt that way. Both at the nerd end and the not-nerd end of things GITS find little reception, which makes me disappoint for the full-condition of humanity, in way I'm not to articulate well.

fapjacks 9y ago
The storyline was awful.
- Fricken 9y ago
  So many stories to be fit to such a richly imagined future. It's like a choose your own adventure!
PhasmaFelis 9y ago
Stunning visual design is great, but it needs to be coupled to a good plot, a good movie, to get recognition.
- intoverflow2 9y ago
  Thing is the original succeeds in all this and feels as fresh today as it did on release. The 2017 version feels entirely unnecessary. (Yes I understand all the reasons commercially why it was remade, no those don't change my opinions on the matter.)
the_af 9y ago
I can't speak for the general public, but as for the nerds (ok, specifically for me): probably because the new movie was not on par, either in style or philosophy, with the 1995 movie?
- lee 9y ago
  Exactly. The total running time of the remake was more than the original movie, yet somehow said a lot less. Aside from the visuals, the movie was embarassingly mediocre.

crdb 9y ago

I'm going to take an unpopular stance here but I must disagree, at least to the extent that whilst details were done relatively well (although no better than, say, Total Recall's recent remake) the photography was not. Here's a simple example: the chase scene to the water [1] vs [2]. In the first, you have a whopping 3 layers of background, the white water, the dark slum, the city in the back (and perhaps an extra layer of city) giving the scene immensity and depth. Even the proportion in which these layers cut the screen (each increasing in height and implied size with distance) help give further depth. The main character is clearly contrasted (including earlier [3]) and thus easily followed, with the eye naturally falling upon the action. The drawing is neat and the spirit carries over to the sound: the fight is punctuated by long periods of silence both of the ear and of movement ("Music is the space between the notes." - Debussy - to say nothing of the enormous importance of empty space in both Chinese and Japanese art e.g. [5]). I'll let you take a look at the movie version and see if you can find an understanding of these elements. Here's an unrelated example of what I mean by the spirit being done well: [4]. Listen to both the steamroller-like momentum, and the way in which the lower voice emerge from the texture about halfway. It is actually incredibly difficult to play like this reliably despite the relative technical ease of the work, Gilels almost makes it sound like he took one, maybe two breaths only (a subtle change of texture splits the work). [1] http://www.mangauk.com/gallery/albums/album-19/lg/gits_124.png http://www.mangauk.com/gallery/albums/album-19/lg/gits_124.p... [2] http://sm.ign.com/t/ign_nordic/video/g/ghost-in-t/ghost-in-the-shell-water-fight-clip_en8r.640.jpg http://sm.ign.com/t/ign_nordic/video/g/ghost-in-t/ghost-in-t... [3] http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/10635_4.jpg http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/10635_4.jpg - literally framed! [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu06WnXlPCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu06WnXlPCY [5] http://www.theartwolf.com/landscapes/hasegawa-tohaku-pine-trees.htm http://www.theartwolf.com/landscapes/hasegawa-tohaku-pine-tr... More examples: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yHfLyMAHrQE/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yHfLyMAHrQE/maxresdefault.jpg http://thecabot.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/the-godfather-1.jpg http://thecabot.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/the-godfather... https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/bn/hi/lo/wd/yojimbo-1200-1200-675-675-crop-000000.jpg?k=092168c692 https://a.ltrbxd.com/resized/sm/upload/bn/hi/lo/wd/yojimbo-1... http://moviemezzanine.com/wp-content/uploads/spirited-2.jpg http://moviemezzanine.com/wp-content/uploads/spirited-2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DQuW037.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DQuW037.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K0c2HJ4AO6o/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K0c2HJ4AO6o/maxresdefault.jpg

patchzer0 9y ago

I have to give my two cents. I've have been a die hard fan of the franchise. I've seen multiple times: all 4 movies (original, Innocence Solid State Society and "The new Movie), the 2 animated series (SAC) and the OVA (ARISE). The live action ironically failed for me because it tried to please the fans too much. Literally more the half of the movie scenes were taken from one of the source materials I mentioned above. This would be OK, but for someone that noticed where they came from it felt like they were all forced. I loved the series because every new iteration added to the one before. However, for this one it seemed that they were just lazy. Plot wise it was on par for GitS, because most of time it's not very interesting. Whats interesting of the series is the possibilities and consequences of the tech they introduce (plugging your brain to the net, hacking eyes, cloning pigs with human organs, uploading your ghost to the net, trafficking prosthetic, etc) <rant> One last thing, they didn't add the chopper/airplane fly by at the beginning of the film. All series/movies since the 1995 original start with a chopper/airplane fly by. That really messed with me for some reason. It's like something you expect. </rant>