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Well Debian stable, but you can sync up to testing, unstable or experimental (if you want bleeding edge) for newer packages and have a rolling release. I'm run

Well Debian stable, but you can sync up to testing, unstable or experimental (if you want bleeding edge) for newer packages and have a rolling release. I'm running Kubuntu right now, not that I'm a huge ubuntu fan, but it has the latest KDE plasma desktop with the debian package manager if you just want a KDE that works with minimal effort plus a kick ass package manager and you can upgrade without reinstalling like Fedora. I know how to do stuff manually, I'm old lol, but I use Linux as my main desktop OS and have been for years. More years than I like to think about because it just reminds me how old I am now. It's nice to just be able to install a distro and be up and running in a few hours instead of a few days. You can add grsec (are anything else kernel related) to any distro, just compile a kernel. If your going for the retro thing, Slack and BSD's is the way to go. I guess what I'm getting at is what need is Arch trying to fulfill?

viraptor 9y ago
Experimental Debian is still far behind arch. As you said, you could get grsec in any distro by recompiling kernel. In Arch it was available immediately as a package. People took care of updating it / applying the new releases.
- microwavecamera 9y ago
  https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity Just install it yourself. I don't get what the big deal is. If you have to edit a bunch of config files then just do it yourself. If you want something straight forward there are better options. If you want something closer to traditional *NIX there are better options. If Arch is your thing that's cool, but as an oldish (41) Linux user that's been using Linux primarily since the late 90's I'm not sure what Arch is going for. I'm not trying to be harsh, but honestly I just don't quite get what Arch is doing. It seems to introduce an added level of complexity that specific to Arch. If your into that sort of thing, there's better options. If your looking for something easier there's better options. I just don't get it. lol
  - viraptor 9y ago
    I said grsec was available in few distros prebuilt. Debian was in that group as well. It may not be for you. I ended up packaging new libraries every few weeks on other distros. Debian experimental included. Arch solves that problem for me. I guess Gentoo, nixos, and others would do that as well. But this one's my choice.
    - microwavecamera 9y ago
      Like I said I'm not knocking Arch, I just don't quite get it, but yea I am old school so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

viraptor 9y ago

Experimental Debian is still far behind arch. As you said, you could get grsec in any distro by recompiling kernel. In Arch it was available immediately as a package. People took care of updating it / applying the new releases.

microwavecamera 9y ago
https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity https://wiki.debian.org/grsecurity Just install it yourself. I don't get what the big deal is. If you have to edit a bunch of config files then just do it yourself. If you want something straight forward there are better options. If you want something closer to traditional *NIX there are better options. If Arch is your thing that's cool, but as an oldish (41) Linux user that's been using Linux primarily since the late 90's I'm not sure what Arch is going for. I'm not trying to be harsh, but honestly I just don't quite get what Arch is doing. It seems to introduce an added level of complexity that specific to Arch. If your into that sort of thing, there's better options. If your looking for something easier there's better options. I just don't get it. lol
- viraptor 9y ago
  I said grsec was available in few distros prebuilt. Debian was in that group as well. It may not be for you. I ended up packaging new libraries every few weeks on other distros. Debian experimental included. Arch solves that problem for me. I guess Gentoo, nixos, and others would do that as well. But this one's my choice.
  - microwavecamera 9y ago
    Like I said I'm not knocking Arch, I just don't quite get it, but yea I am old school so I'm sure that has something to do with it.