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Why on God's green Earth would you pollute Arch with KDE?! :)

by rvdavis 9y ago

kellyjprice 9y ago
What happened to the time when KDE was respected as a beautiful DE?
- nice_byte 9y ago
  KDE 4 happened
  - bhrgunatha 9y ago
    To be fair KDE4 _was_ a disaster when it was released but in time it came to be as stable and usable as the much loved KDE3. The path to plasma was also somewhat rocky (but nowhere near as bad as the KDE3 - KDE4 transition). I used to enjoy using KDE but I feel they lost their way and are overly attracted by "shiny new things" like workspaces, activities, or semantic desktop - virtually everything being dependent on strigi then akonadi then nepomuk then baloo or ... The real bugbear is that every time they ditch everything for a new metaphor - so much of the previously working and reliable software is also ditched or obsolete. It doesn't suit my needs to have to keep re-configuring my computer and software and workflow so I stopped using it. I do think it's great and valuable that it's there as an option though.
    - majewsky 9y ago
      Akonadi was the main reason why I ditched KMail for Thunderbird six years ago. I recently went back, and it's marginally better. But it's still pretty outrageous that a service that only gives one user-visible extra feature (mail checking and calendar reminders as a background service) costs 330 megabytes of RAM. Most of that for the MySQL instance that it's using; no idea why they have to use anything else than SQLite for a mailbox with maybe 100 mails. Stopping Akonadi is a thing that I just have to do before launching Minecraft on my notebook. $ free; akonadictl stop; sleep 15; free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 3934720 1227872 1296492 253868 1410356 2203068 Swap: 0 0 0 total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 3934720 897308 1626924 249452 1410488 2538072 Swap: 0 0 0 I'm still sticking with KMail for now, though. The UI is a bit nicer (esp. w.r.t. GPG), and mail checking as a background service is nice.
- shmerl 9y ago
  It's still the most popular. Check any polls.
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
:) well the nice thing about Arch is that Arch doesn't tell you what you can and can't install on your system...that is pretty much entirely up to the user.
- lokedhs 9y ago
  For most components, that's true. But trying to use Arch without systemd can be difficult.
shmerl 9y ago
KDE is simply the best DE around.

Why on God's green Earth would you pollute Arch with KDE?! :)

kellyjprice 9y ago

What happened to the time when KDE was respected as a beautiful DE?

nice_byte 9y ago
KDE 4 happened
- bhrgunatha 9y ago
  To be fair KDE4 _was_ a disaster when it was released but in time it came to be as stable and usable as the much loved KDE3. The path to plasma was also somewhat rocky (but nowhere near as bad as the KDE3 - KDE4 transition). I used to enjoy using KDE but I feel they lost their way and are overly attracted by "shiny new things" like workspaces, activities, or semantic desktop - virtually everything being dependent on strigi then akonadi then nepomuk then baloo or ... The real bugbear is that every time they ditch everything for a new metaphor - so much of the previously working and reliable software is also ditched or obsolete. It doesn't suit my needs to have to keep re-configuring my computer and software and workflow so I stopped using it. I do think it's great and valuable that it's there as an option though.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    Akonadi was the main reason why I ditched KMail for Thunderbird six years ago. I recently went back, and it's marginally better. But it's still pretty outrageous that a service that only gives one user-visible extra feature (mail checking and calendar reminders as a background service) costs 330 megabytes of RAM. Most of that for the MySQL instance that it's using; no idea why they have to use anything else than SQLite for a mailbox with maybe 100 mails. Stopping Akonadi is a thing that I just have to do before launching Minecraft on my notebook. $ free; akonadictl stop; sleep 15; free total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 3934720 1227872 1296492 253868 1410356 2203068 Swap: 0 0 0 total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 3934720 897308 1626924 249452 1410488 2538072 Swap: 0 0 0 I'm still sticking with KMail for now, though. The UI is a bit nicer (esp. w.r.t. GPG), and mail checking as a background service is nice.
shmerl 9y ago
It's still the most popular. Check any polls.

em3rgent0rdr 9y ago

:) well the nice thing about Arch is that Arch doesn't tell you what you can and can't install on your system...that is pretty much entirely up to the user.

lokedhs 9y ago
For most components, that's true. But trying to use Arch without systemd can be difficult.

shmerl 9y ago

KDE is simply the best DE around.