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My experience was definitely of this, the problem that you cite. But as you mention, police, despite all accusations to the contrary, are not stupid. They know

My experience was definitely of this, the problem that you cite. But as you mention, police, despite all accusations to the contrary, are not stupid. They know what policing is and it is about communities and people rather than enforcing the edicts of a given political party. It is strange how police are always politically controlled, maybe in some do-gooding place like Norway they are allowed to be professional without interference. Along with 'twenty seconds to comply...' there is this instant execution by police that happens. Nobody is shedding a tear for the three terrorists shot 8 minutes into their killing spree, however, would the police have been able to apprehend them if they only had their batons?!? This was the situation in the UK until recently, if you 'went postal' in some regional town it would take a while before officers with guns would arrive. You would have hours to escape bullets. But now? 8 minutes. I also imagine a world where no terrorist gets tried in court. Death awaits them before they get that far and the quaint notion of justice before a jury goes by the by.

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dazc 9y ago
"But now? 8 minutes." Bear in mind this was in Central London during a period of high alert.
pja 9y ago
You’re not going to get an 8 minute response anywhere but in the major city centres, which have armed units on 24/7 standby. I think those units have been around in London for decades at this point. Probably ever since the ring of steel was installed as a response to the IRA bombing campaigns of the 70s/80s.
- pjc50 9y ago
  Exactly. Borough market is right next to London Bridge station, Guy's Hospital and the Shard, all of which are obvious places to park rapid response units. Similarly the area of Westminster around Parliament and the Palace will be completely covered 24/7, extending out towards the nearby embassies and Whitehall civil service buildings.
pseud0r 9y ago
"maybe in some do-gooding place like Norway they are allowed to be professional without interference" Nope, far from it. Norway might be better than most places though.
randomguy23 9y ago
if only there were something that you could legally take with you that would help... When seconds count, police are minutes away.

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dazc 9y ago

"But now? 8 minutes." Bear in mind this was in Central London during a period of high alert.

pja 9y ago

You’re not going to get an 8 minute response anywhere but in the major city centres, which have armed units on 24/7 standby. I think those units have been around in London for decades at this point. Probably ever since the ring of steel was installed as a response to the IRA bombing campaigns of the 70s/80s.

pjc50 9y ago
Exactly. Borough market is right next to London Bridge station, Guy's Hospital and the Shard, all of which are obvious places to park rapid response units. Similarly the area of Westminster around Parliament and the Palace will be completely covered 24/7, extending out towards the nearby embassies and Whitehall civil service buildings.

pseud0r 9y ago

"maybe in some do-gooding place like Norway they are allowed to be professional without interference" Nope, far from it. Norway might be better than most places though.

randomguy23 9y ago

if only there were something that you could legally take with you that would help... When seconds count, police are minutes away.