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UK police arrest man via automatic face-recognition tech
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- dmix 9y agoSo when a crime happens in public: in addition to a dump of all cellphones in the area they'll also have access to all scanned faces and license plates (via lidar) to reconstruct what happened. Plus potentially an always-on eye in the sky via drones/planes which allows them to "rewind" peoples and cars movements up until that point. Pretty scary to think how easy their jobs will be.
- Evolved 9y agoThis already exists. I posted links in response to the OP referencing a RadioLab episode where precisely this occurred over Fallujah and helped to track down suicide bombers/bomb makers.
- darkhorn 9y agoThe'll have instant connection to any CCTV facing public places (including hotel corridors) and any dash cam. After all, all the videos will be uploaded to data centers via 7G. Identification of humans, dogs, car plates will be in real time plus the identities will be logged for 5 years. The CCTVs will record in PetaHD, enough for fingerprint identification from distance of 120 meters. PetaHD © records use two cameras (for 3D) with auto zooming for moving objects. All cars will have black boxes with video and sound recording. Illegal turns will be autofined (if you were able to turn illegally, because most of the time your car won't allow you).
- sfilargi 9y ago> Illegal turns will be autofined I also expect the fines to get lower once everybody gets a couple of fines per day on average.
- mattmanser 9y agoNo, they won't fine anyone until you protest against the state, and then they will crush you with "the law".
- contingencies 9y agoDon't forget logged local wifi, bluetooth and NFC connection records, and the sum total of any geotagged images or videos uploaded around that time and place. Suspicion will be auto-assigned to people who are detected to have phones (via video analyzed pocket bulge or historic behavior) but which are not emitting signals due for example to 'flight mode', or those who lend NFC identities, which may become illegal or against terms of service.
- Hydraulix989 9y agoCrime will likely shift to hacking said systems.
- netsharc 9y agoThat would make a cool sci-fi scenario. Man robs bank... wait, who would still use cash in the future? A man kills another, but the computers show him at home, waking up late, travelling to work, logging on his work PC. Except, the killed man was an owner of one of the encryption keys for the global metadata logging/surveillance system, and the criminal managed to kill that man and steal the key, altering all the computer logs to cover his tracks.
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- 659087 9y ago> Plus potentially an always-on eye in the sky via drones/planes I'm convinced that this will be a "bonus feature" if/when Google/Facebook/SpaceX get their balloons/drones/satellites off the ground. I don't want to live in that future.
- kough 9y ago> In the same statement, the police force turns a little more towards pre-crime. South Wales police and crime commissioner Alun Michael said: "Our approach to policing is very much centred upon early intervention and prompt, positive action; the introduction of facial recognition helps to support these aims by allowing us to identify vulnerability, challenge perpetrators, and reduce instances of offending within environments where the technology is deployed." As spooky as automatic facial recognition is for finding and arresting criminals, it's like they're parodying themselves with this statement. You couldn't sound more evil if you tried.
- jostmey 9y agoLet me wave my hand around a crystal ball and peer into our future... "Cameras are everywhere and record every crime. Somewhere in the city a man commits a murder. Computers register the crime. Later that same man steps into a self-driving car. The man explains to the car that he wants to travel to the other side of the city. The car doors lock and the vehicle takes off. But the car is not going to where he thinks. Slowly the man realizes that he is being taken directly to the nearest police precinct for booking. Desperately the man tries to exit the car but the doors are locked. He lays down in the seat and frantically kicks at the windshield but there is no time. The car has been given emergency priority and begins traveling over 90 mph. The precious seconds tick by... Back at the precinct the cop takes another bit of his doughnut and reminisces about the time when policing was not just a desk job." That's enough of the crystal ball for today.
- CapitalistCartr 9y agoOr he commits the crime of unauthorized copying of software. Or building unlocked computers. Or helping people encrypt their data with secure, government-proof encryption.
- fwsgonzo 9y agoGoing further: Some AI is interpreting all camera around the country in real-time. A single government employee is adjusting parameters according to what the current elected officials deem important. There is, however, extra CPU time dedicated to cameras monitoring political opponents. After all, we commit crimes regularly, unknowingly. There are so many laws that not only are there lifelong jobs in the law business, but there are several different types of them. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438...
- kirykl 9y agotighten the rules by using technology and criminals will use technology to break the rules - murders by drone
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- iandanforth 9y agoIf you're watching (or reading) The Handmaid's Tale, this is what an Eye van looks like in real life.
- Evolved 9y agoRelevant. [0] http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ http://www.radiolab.org/story/eye-sky/ [1] http://www.radiolab.org/story/update-eye-sky/ http://www.radiolab.org/story/update-eye-sky/
- aub3bhat 9y agoI think the real battle is in Judicial reforms. Honestly we are at a stage where the face recpgnition technology is just too easy to deploy. [1, 2] There are also several legitimate use cases, e.g. Amber alerts, Public right to record, etc. The society can delay dealing with technology for only so long. Over the next decade we will see huge adoption of Autonomous cars, robots, cheap drones essentially "Mainstreaming" of surveillance technology. At this point the legal system would have to decide a sane framework to resolve the challenges posed by technology. However given the paralysis in Washington, and inability to deal with even the most basic questions of algorithms and law (No-fly lists being the prime example) I am not too hopeful. [1] https://github.com/search?q=topic%3Aface-recognition&type=Repositories https://github.com/search?q=topic%3Aface-recognition&type=Re... [2] https://aws.amazon.com/rekognition/ https://aws.amazon.com/rekognition/
- aviraldg 9y agoIt's just processing data; how does it matter if it was done by an algorithm or by a human?
- _coldfire 9y agoDone by a government with proper legal oversight it certainly has its place and easily will be a net positive for society. Though lawmakers seem to be oblivious to tech advances moving far quicker than they can, don't hold much hope they can keep up. Used by corporations it will be frustrating and take privacy intrusions to the next level. In the end though, democracies will survive fine. The real issue is tyrannical regimes getting their hands on facial recognition, it's a terrifying prospect and likely to be used with great effect.
- jimnotgym 9y agoLast night I watched the 'Total Recall' remake with he kids. I couldn't help making connections between the film and the way technological policing is progressing. I keep noticing that in dystopian sci-fi films there are far too many parallels with the UK. I should stop watching sci-fi and finish some coding...
- Theodores 9y agoMeanwhile, back in the real world, I spent an hour waiting to speak to someone in the police the other day only for the guy on the desk to say he needed another 30-45 minutes with the lady at the desk and there were no other staff. So, if you really do want to report a crime or some criminal behaviour that has got to the stage where a little bit of community work by the police would help, good luck to you. Maybe take an afternoon off work so you will have time for the bureaucracy. We are a long way from 'you have twenty seconds to comply' policing.
- Silhouette 9y agoIt seems to me that the danger is having no time for anything but 'you have twenty seconds to comply' policing. Just look at the comments made by serving UK police officers in light of the recent high-profile attacks, particularly about the relative lack of intelligence now that there are so few officers assigned to basic community policing and everything has become about reaction rather than relationships. Compare and contrast those views with the recent comments by Theresa May about how the problem wasn't really caused by a sharp reduction in the number of police officers but instead must be fixed by regulating everything and throwing human rights laws out the window if they happen to be inconvenient.
- Theodores 9y agoMy experience was definitely of this, the problem that you cite. But as you mention, police, despite all accusations to the contrary, are not stupid. They know what policing is and it is about communities and people rather than enforcing the edicts of a given political party. It is strange how police are always politically controlled, maybe in some do-gooding place like Norway they are allowed to be professional without interference. Along with 'twenty seconds to comply...' there is this instant execution by police that happens. Nobody is shedding a tear for the three terrorists shot 8 minutes into their killing spree, however, would the police have been able to apprehend them if they only had their batons?!? This was the situation in the UK until recently, if you 'went postal' in some regional town it would take a while before officers with guns would arrive. You would have hours to escape bullets. But now? 8 minutes. I also imagine a world where no terrorist gets tried in court. Death awaits them before they get that far and the quaint notion of justice before a jury goes by the by.
- tyingq 9y agoAnyone know what the false positive and false negative rates are with current tech? Edit: Assuming real world conditions where people don't pose for you.
- daemin 9y agoI think the big thing people forget when they automate systems is that they make them too strict. As in you're always expected to fit within the parameters and pattern of behaviour that the system was built with. It tolerates no deviation. However as with all human things, it is better and less trouble to be able to take shortcuts rather than have to stick to the rules 100%. For example people crossing the road in the middle of the night with not a car in sight. People reversing down the road a little bit to turn or get a parking spot. Being able to cross the centre green patch on a high way at night because there won't be a u-turn available for many kms. The issues with identical twins and not being able to get IDs (basically the inability to override a system). These sort of issues help remove stress and simplify things in our daily lives, and help make the world function.
- cpncrunch 9y agoWhat has that got to do with the article? Facial recognition isn't crime detection...it's recognising someone who has an arrest warrant (or in this case, perhaps also checking against a list of banned hooligans), i.e. it either is the person or it isn't.
- daemin 9y agoMy comment was on people putting too much trust into computerised systems, of which facial recognition is one. It also referenced comments other people had made here for when the rules and programming in such a computerised system broke down in the real world. In the case of facial recognition there was examples of twins being rejected for IDs because the system thought it was the same person applying under different names. I'd also be dubious as how well it can identify people based on grainy and low resolution camera footage.