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Are we really at the point in society if someone asks a coworker out on a date its sexual harassment? I imagine the answer to that is whether she said yes or no

Are we really at the point in society if someone asks a coworker out on a date its sexual harassment? I imagine the answer to that is whether she said yes or not. Rule #1 ... be attractive.

vkou 9y ago
I'm surprised that we are still at a point in society where people legitimately don't understand the difference between workplace-appropriate behaviour, and harassment. But, to spell the difference out: Once is asking. Twice is harassment. Propositioning a report is a fireable offense. There's more to it, but those are the basics.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >I'm surprised that we are still at a point in society where people legitimately don't understand the difference between workplace-appropriate behaviour, and harassment. I'm not, especially when it comes to tech which is full of young 20-somethings, some of whom may be brilliant when it comes to programming and mathematics, but dumb when it comes to social cues and social interactions. A lot of this stuff gets figured out with experience. >Once is asking. Twice is harassment. Propositioning a report is a fireable offense. Sure. Sounds like a good general rule that may be too permissive in some cases, and too punishing in other.
  - watwut 9y ago
    I work in tech. While there are problems, dudes are way better at social skills then you imply. Thay includes dudes with asperger.
    - macspoofing 9y ago
      Yes. Of course. Generally people are good and decent. And this case doesn't contradict this since we're talking about 20 fired employees out of 12,000. And I didn't only refer to 'dudes'. I referred to 20-somethings. Women can be dumbasses too.
      - watwut 9y ago
        I don't think it is correct to use words dumbass and unethical as synonyms. They are not. I defended dudes here, because they were treated as normally unethical or normally dumbass. Since women were not implied to be less capable, there was no need to defend then.
dang 9y ago
"Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14499713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14499713 and marked it off-topic.

Are we really at the point in society if someone asks a coworker out on a date its sexual harassment? I imagine the answer to that is whether she said yes or not. Rule #1 ... be attractive.

vkou 9y ago

I'm surprised that we are still at a point in society where people legitimately don't understand the difference between workplace-appropriate behaviour, and harassment. But, to spell the difference out: Once is asking. Twice is harassment. Propositioning a report is a fireable offense. There's more to it, but those are the basics.

macspoofing 9y ago
>I'm surprised that we are still at a point in society where people legitimately don't understand the difference between workplace-appropriate behaviour, and harassment. I'm not, especially when it comes to tech which is full of young 20-somethings, some of whom may be brilliant when it comes to programming and mathematics, but dumb when it comes to social cues and social interactions. A lot of this stuff gets figured out with experience. >Once is asking. Twice is harassment. Propositioning a report is a fireable offense. Sure. Sounds like a good general rule that may be too permissive in some cases, and too punishing in other.
- watwut 9y ago
  I work in tech. While there are problems, dudes are way better at social skills then you imply. Thay includes dudes with asperger.
  - macspoofing 9y ago
    Yes. Of course. Generally people are good and decent. And this case doesn't contradict this since we're talking about 20 fired employees out of 12,000. And I didn't only refer to 'dudes'. I referred to 20-somethings. Women can be dumbasses too.
    - watwut 9y ago
      I don't think it is correct to use words dumbass and unethical as synonyms. They are not. I defended dudes here, because they were treated as normally unethical or normally dumbass. Since women were not implied to be less capable, there was no need to defend then.

dang 9y ago

"Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14499713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14499713 and marked it off-topic.