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I just want to say, for every person in disgust of Uber and their sexual harassment scenario, there are many more of us that just don't care. Of course, most t
by randyrand 9y ago
I just want to say, for every person in disgust of Uber and their sexual harassment scenario, there are many more of us that just don't care.
Of course, most that don't care don't comment. So the comment section is not a good view of public opinion. Just the vocal minority.
- j2kun 9y agoOr the silent folks already agree that illegal harassment is bad and don't have anything new to contribute.
- seldo 9y agoI think you should probably re-examine your priorities in life, but that's just me. You do you.
- graphememes 9y agoWe don't know their priorities so we can't really judge that. I am sure there are many things that you don't care about that others would think you should, but it doesn't mean you are wrong and they are right. The world isn't black and white.
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- 5ilv3r 9y agoDang went through and banned a lot of accounts for posts like this yesterday. Heads up.
- randyrand 9y agoI don't see how it violates any of the rules of HN comments.
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- tehwebguy 9y agoHard not to reply with sarcasm. Other people not caring about sexual harassment makes it worse.
- randyrand 9y agoIf no one cared, the problem would be solved. That's simple logic right there. An odd unexpected consequence of this is that by trying to get fewer people to care, it is in fact helping to solve the problem.
- kevinburke 9y agoApply this logic to any other crime and you'll see it's nonsensical. "If no one cared about extrajudicial gangs roving the streets murdering people, the problem would be solved. After all, I wasn't murdered. That's simple logic right there"
- randyrand 9y agoYou're right though. If no one cared about extrajudicial gangs roving the streets murdering people, then it wouldn't be a problem! I know it sounds crazy. But the argument is sound. Let's put it this way. If everyone enjoyed extrajudicial gangs roving the streets murdering people, then it would be the opposite of a problem, wouldn't it? It would be a good thing. A necessary requirement for a problem to be a problem is that we have to care about it, or at least the effects of it.
- kevinburke 9y agoThe people being murdered would not enjoy it. Jesus. Please just stop, you're making a terrible argument.
- randyrand 9y agoBut that wasn't your argument. In your argument no one cares. Even the people murdered. The argument is sound.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> Of course, those that don't care don't comment. A claim contradicted by its mere existence in a post claiming to be from someone in the subject group.
- ebcode 9y agoYours is an interesting comment because of its paradoxical nature. You seem to be implying that you yourself "don't care", but then say that those that don't care don't comment, and yet here you are commenting, which would imply that you do indeed care. But then, you only care enough to say you don't care, and that there are "many more" people like you. But I don't see anyone else saying "hey, we don't care" on this thread, which leads me to believe that there actually aren't more people like you. My brain is caught in a loop!
- randyrand 9y agoI'll help solve the paradox. "Don't care" can refer to at least 3 things: 1. don't care that there is sexual harassment at Uber 2. don't care about sexual harassment like that occurred at Uber 3. don't care that other people think most people care My comment is about those that check off all 3. They are the majority, and they don't comment. For me, I only check off #1 and #2, hence the comment.
- 5ilv3r 9y agoRisky move.
- randyrand 9y agoHN generally welcomes people with a wide set of beliefs and values. I don't think someone would be banned just because they say they don't care about something. Of course I could still be proven wrong.
- AcerbicZero 9y agoI'm guessing he was referring to the loss of internet points for posting an opinion out of the mainstream on a topic like this, where even the normally open minded and discussion oriented HN folks expect you to toe the party line.
- watwut 9y agoWhy would do care whether other people think most people care? What makes this special? You are not posting similar comments under other articles.
- wellboy 9y agoNot caring about sexual harassment is like not caring about racism, homophobia and similar human rights violations. So not sure if that's the kind of person you want to be.
- wakkaflokka 9y agoThe natural follow-up question I have, is why don't you care?
- randyrand 9y agoThat's a great question! I can't speak for everyone, but personally I don't think asking another adult if they want to have sex with you is morally wrong, even in the workplace. I think Americans are way too sensitive when it comes to sexuality. They repress it way too much. For reference, here is the accusation from the blog post: On my first official day rotating on the team, my new manager sent me a string of messages over company chat. He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR.
- kevinburke 9y agoHarassment encompasses a wide range of behaviors besides "asking another adult if they want to have sex with you," from _continuing to ask someone after they've turned you down_, to inappropriate touching, to quid-pro-quo, where career advancement, or good work assignments, are tied to sexual favors. These offers don't need to be explicit. It's difficult to do your best work when you don't feel safe in the workplace. It's also difficult to advance your career when your boss is demanding sexual favors in exchange for promotions or favorable work assignments. Fundamentally these are unfair to the people being harassed, which is why laws and workplace norms exist to discourage them. They also expose the company to a large amount of legal liability. I'd suggest listening to people who have had to deal with this issue in the past, or paying better attention during harassment training the next time you are asked to do it at your workplace.
- randyrand 9y agoBut none of those other behaviors happened at Uber. It was literally someone asking another adult if they want to have sex. How childish are we to get upset over this? I can understand that feeling uncomfortable is not good. Lots of things make lots of people uncomfortable. Maybe the issue is that Americans become uncomfortable too easily? Or do not know how to handle feeling uncomfortable?