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There is tons and tons of room to build up in LA - 2/3/4/5/6 stories in more places would add a lot of housing. This is the norm for densely inhabited places i

by davidw 9y ago

There is tons and tons of room to build up in LA - 2/3/4/5/6 stories in more places would add a lot of housing. This is the norm for densely inhabited places in the rest of the world. And it's not happening there, as elsewhere in the US, in large part because of zoning. Not because of mountains or earthquakes.

bogomipz 9y ago
>"There is tons and tons of room to build up in LA - 2/3/4/5/6 stories in more places would add a lot of housing" Please provide a citation for where that "tons of room" is? Most apartment buildings in Los Angeles are at least two stories[1]. The majority of housing structures are 20+ units[1]. Los Angeles actually ranks among the best in terms of density despite it's sprawling nature[2]. That sprawl it turns out is actually somewhat efficiently. I have provided citations for all of my assertions including the one above that shows that the LA city council has been routinely rubber stamping high density projects[3]. Nowhere did I say mountains or earthquakes were an issue. I even pointed out that apartment complexes were common place even in the hills. Where are the data points and citations corroborating your statements? I don't see any. I guess they are just opinions then? [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/21/the-most-popular-type-of-home-in-every-major-american-city-charted/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/21/the-m... [2] https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/02/a-new-index-to-measure-sprawl-gives-high-marks-to-los-angeles/385559/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/02/a-new-index-t... [3] http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-planning-commission-zoning-changes-20170210-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-planning-commiss...
- davidw 9y ago
  Density of Paris, France: 21,000/km2 LA: 3,198/km2 From wikipedia. Perhaps they've been approving more lately - because they have a lot of catching up to do. Just look around with Google Maps - there's tons and tons of this sort of housing: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0418869,-118.4327533,3a,60y,186.19h,92.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siOsISe3agcMfltLUz-dKzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0418869,-118.4327533,3a,60y,... It's not dense at all. Here's a random place in Milan: https://goo.gl/maps/c4u9cgLeNon https://goo.gl/maps/c4u9cgLeNon That's more typical of a big city in a place where it's legal to build up.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    What's the point in your Google Map link? That is a picture of a single family home. So what? What does that prove? That means nothing other than you found a picture of a random house on Google Maps. Some family owns that home and the land it is built on. I know the neighborhood well. When that area was originally developed it was considered a suburb. Originally anything West of downtown was considered a suburb. And your density figure for LA is also wrong. from the last census: >"The nation's most densely populated urbanized area is Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, Calif., with nearly 7,000 people per square mile."[1] That is 7,000 people per 2.6/Km. [1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb12-50.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_censu...

by davidw 9y ago

bogomipz 9y ago

>"There is tons and tons of room to build up in LA - 2/3/4/5/6 stories in more places would add a lot of housing" Please provide a citation for where that "tons of room" is? Most apartment buildings in Los Angeles are at least two stories[1]. The majority of housing structures are 20+ units[1]. Los Angeles actually ranks among the best in terms of density despite it's sprawling nature[2]. That sprawl it turns out is actually somewhat efficiently. I have provided citations for all of my assertions including the one above that shows that the LA city council has been routinely rubber stamping high density projects[3]. Nowhere did I say mountains or earthquakes were an issue. I even pointed out that apartment complexes were common place even in the hills. Where are the data points and citations corroborating your statements? I don't see any. I guess they are just opinions then? [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/21/the-most-popular-type-of-home-in-every-major-american-city-charted/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/21/the-m... [2] https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/02/a-new-index-to-measure-sprawl-gives-high-marks-to-los-angeles/385559/ https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2015/02/a-new-index-t... [3] http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-planning-commission-zoning-changes-20170210-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-planning-commiss...

davidw 9y ago
Density of Paris, France: 21,000/km2 LA: 3,198/km2 From wikipedia. Perhaps they've been approving more lately - because they have a lot of catching up to do. Just look around with Google Maps - there's tons and tons of this sort of housing: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0418869,-118.4327533,3a,60y,186.19h,92.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siOsISe3agcMfltLUz-dKzg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0418869,-118.4327533,3a,60y,... It's not dense at all. Here's a random place in Milan: https://goo.gl/maps/c4u9cgLeNon https://goo.gl/maps/c4u9cgLeNon That's more typical of a big city in a place where it's legal to build up.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  What's the point in your Google Map link? That is a picture of a single family home. So what? What does that prove? That means nothing other than you found a picture of a random house on Google Maps. Some family owns that home and the land it is built on. I know the neighborhood well. When that area was originally developed it was considered a suburb. Originally anything West of downtown was considered a suburb. And your density figure for LA is also wrong. from the last census: >"The nation's most densely populated urbanized area is Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, Calif., with nearly 7,000 people per square mile."[1] That is 7,000 people per 2.6/Km. [1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb12-50.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_censu...