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That's all fantasy scenario for a military games or scary movie, it doesn't have any real possibility, it didn't even happen in cold war time with much more pow

That's all fantasy scenario for a military games or scary movie, it doesn't have any real possibility, it didn't even happen in cold war time with much more powerful at the time USSR. Russia just can't start large scale war with west, it doesn't have any capability to do that, only if Gandalf will come to save it :) (same level of fantasy as in your scenario) It also doesn't want to, nobody wants to attack Europe here, that's ridiculous, if you think Russia is some blood-thirsty monster thinking everyday how to conquer Europe, it's not. One of the popular toasts in Russia is 'For clear sky above our heads' which means so there won't be war (and no war planes, which bombed Russia in WW2). Russia is defensive, it has nukes to ensure that Europe and USA won't attack it and happy with this, and doesn't have nor desire neither ability for any significant war with western world. Russia could win again Sweden alone, though it won't be that easy as well, as you said, Sweden is not completely defenseless. To attack big country you don't even border, with harsh environment and landscape and then control it is not an easy task. And that would be only Sweden attacked, that's my original point, why to do that? What's the point of attacking Sweden alone, you don't gain anything from it and then face the wrath of the world. > In general i think you have the notion that the fact that Sweden is preparing itself for a Russian invasion means that Russia have somehow singled out Sweden No, my notion is that it's Sweden who singled out itself. Lately I've seen abnormally many news about Sweden being afraid, and they even returned conscription, that's why I guessed that it's some local political play (though I don't know political situation in Sweden to be sure). And I'm worried about Sweden because I think it's waste of resources and people's time. > If you still can't see that then I'm sorry but I don't know how to explain it in a more simple or detailed manner. > If anything else fails then go to https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kaliningrad,+Kaliningrad+O.. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kaliningrad,+Kaliningrad+O.... and zoom out a bit. No need to be condescending, I see what you say and I say it's not real scenario.

dogma1138 9y ago
A) You would assume that Russia would start the conflict, so far it's the west that is pushing it into a corner. B) Yes this is a far fetched scenario, but as military scenarios go it's the only one that is applicable to Sweden no one else would invade, or attack Sweden other than Russia. Sweden has a right to be afraid, it's not part of NATO so no article 5, Russia has been shown to respond to EU/NATO pushing into its sphere of influence with uncharacteristically direct responses. Russia invaded Georgia effectively to kill the pipeline that the EU was planning to build after a Georgian provocation fueled by the west promising to back it up against Russian retaliation. Russia went into Crimea again after western funded protests to oust a democratically elected government (corrupt or not) that both EU and US election inspectors concluded was elected fair and square simply because they didn't liked the results. Russia is violating Swedish territorial waters and their airspace regularly, they deem waters that Sweden has claims too as their own, and effectively claim most of the Baltis as Russian territorial and economical waters. So regardless of how far fetched this scenario is according to you the only 3 possible scenarios in which Sweden would be invaded are: Alien Invasion, Space Nazi's or the Russians, with the latter being the only one that might actually happen.
- aquadrop 9y ago
  A -> Nuclear weapon is a giant no go sign. Nobody wants to be responsible for the end of the world. B -> > Sweden has a right to be afraid, it's not part of NATO so no article 5, Russia has been shown to respond to EU/NATO pushing into its sphere of influence with uncharacteristically direct responses. Russia just doesn't like expansion of NATO in Europe in general, nothing specific to Sweden. When USSR put missiles on Cuba USA didn't like it a lot as well... But I don't know how much of that opposition is real, and what portion is just a political game. Because there's the same point as with Sweden being attacked by Russia - attack from NATO won't happen, as long as there's nuclear weapon. Those issues you described are just local conflicts, that's the max what Russia can afford. And USA also do play with territorial waters, spy planes etc, that's all part of regular military routine. > So regardless of how far fetched this scenario is according to you the only 3 possible scenarios in which Sweden would be invaded are: Alien Invasion, Space Nazi's or the Russians, with the latter being the only one that might actually happen. There's much more than 3. But even you admit that it's a far fetched scenario, so it's not according to me, it's just far fetched, period. And that was my point, you can as well start preparing for alien space Nazi invasion, but will it be money well spent? It's like amputating your healthy foot because who knows, sometime in the future you can get diabetes. Returning conscription is a very serious thing to do, it's a large move which affects whole country. And there's no point in that. In 1 on 1 conflict it won't help and in case of large scale war (which Russia can't afford nor doesn't want) it won't matter, because Russia will be destroyed by the allies. And nobody here could come up with the answer to original question, "what is the point of attacking Sweden", alone, just Sweden, can you answer it?

dogma1138 9y ago

A) You would assume that Russia would start the conflict, so far it's the west that is pushing it into a corner. B) Yes this is a far fetched scenario, but as military scenarios go it's the only one that is applicable to Sweden no one else would invade, or attack Sweden other than Russia. Sweden has a right to be afraid, it's not part of NATO so no article 5, Russia has been shown to respond to EU/NATO pushing into its sphere of influence with uncharacteristically direct responses. Russia invaded Georgia effectively to kill the pipeline that the EU was planning to build after a Georgian provocation fueled by the west promising to back it up against Russian retaliation. Russia went into Crimea again after western funded protests to oust a democratically elected government (corrupt or not) that both EU and US election inspectors concluded was elected fair and square simply because they didn't liked the results. Russia is violating Swedish territorial waters and their airspace regularly, they deem waters that Sweden has claims too as their own, and effectively claim most of the Baltis as Russian territorial and economical waters. So regardless of how far fetched this scenario is according to you the only 3 possible scenarios in which Sweden would be invaded are: Alien Invasion, Space Nazi's or the Russians, with the latter being the only one that might actually happen.

aquadrop 9y ago
A -> Nuclear weapon is a giant no go sign. Nobody wants to be responsible for the end of the world. B -> > Sweden has a right to be afraid, it's not part of NATO so no article 5, Russia has been shown to respond to EU/NATO pushing into its sphere of influence with uncharacteristically direct responses. Russia just doesn't like expansion of NATO in Europe in general, nothing specific to Sweden. When USSR put missiles on Cuba USA didn't like it a lot as well... But I don't know how much of that opposition is real, and what portion is just a political game. Because there's the same point as with Sweden being attacked by Russia - attack from NATO won't happen, as long as there's nuclear weapon. Those issues you described are just local conflicts, that's the max what Russia can afford. And USA also do play with territorial waters, spy planes etc, that's all part of regular military routine. > So regardless of how far fetched this scenario is according to you the only 3 possible scenarios in which Sweden would be invaded are: Alien Invasion, Space Nazi's or the Russians, with the latter being the only one that might actually happen. There's much more than 3. But even you admit that it's a far fetched scenario, so it's not according to me, it's just far fetched, period. And that was my point, you can as well start preparing for alien space Nazi invasion, but will it be money well spent? It's like amputating your healthy foot because who knows, sometime in the future you can get diabetes. Returning conscription is a very serious thing to do, it's a large move which affects whole country. And there's no point in that. In 1 on 1 conflict it won't help and in case of large scale war (which Russia can't afford nor doesn't want) it won't matter, because Russia will be destroyed by the allies. And nobody here could come up with the answer to original question, "what is the point of attacking Sweden", alone, just Sweden, can you answer it?