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I've also worked with LabView and completely agree with your assessments. I'd also add that line between a simple project which reasonable men might agree that

I've also worked with LabView and completely agree with your assessments. I'd also add that line between a simple project which reasonable men might agree that was well suited for LabView and a large project which is destined to eventually become 'a complete and utter mess of tangled wires and hierarchical blocks' is not at all obvious or delineated... and that's when the suffering really begins.

posterboy 9y ago
Indeed, I guess. But really, that's the fault of the editors, not the concept. Xilinx graphical editor downright crashed frequently. The professional developers used vhdl or verilog instead, obviously (and even that would have been subpar because of a half assed linux port, I bet). What I mean is, if the devs had to dogfood their own product, if labview was self hosting, it could become a lot better. But in the background it's all just lowered to an intermediate programming language, the front-end is just grafted on. It's a marketing tool, just look at the camel case name. I hate it with a passion every time it comes up. Edit: I said "just" a lot, although, apparently it's quite good for it's intended purposes so take that with a spoon of salt. Edit: This thread repeatedly features screenshots of visual demo tools, for scenegraph and asset creation, e.g. werkkzeug 3: http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=8787&page=127 http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=8787&page=127
- gugagore 9y ago
  I had never thought about the importance of being self-hosting like that. I missed the point about the camel case name. In any case, it's marketed as LabVIEW (VIEW standing for Virtual Instrument Engineering Workbench), not LabView.
  - posterboy 9y ago
    Probably it's not intended as a full development environment, more like a scripting language. The name just strikes me as unprofessional, or at least not very serious, just like the programming environment that it is, and I guess that's not even a bad thing if that's intended, considering the target group (of technically inclined but uninitiated or at least slow with a key board kind of lab rats).

posterboy 9y ago

Indeed, I guess. But really, that's the fault of the editors, not the concept. Xilinx graphical editor downright crashed frequently. The professional developers used vhdl or verilog instead, obviously (and even that would have been subpar because of a half assed linux port, I bet). What I mean is, if the devs had to dogfood their own product, if labview was self hosting, it could become a lot better. But in the background it's all just lowered to an intermediate programming language, the front-end is just grafted on. It's a marketing tool, just look at the camel case name. I hate it with a passion every time it comes up. Edit: I said "just" a lot, although, apparently it's quite good for it's intended purposes so take that with a spoon of salt. Edit: This thread repeatedly features screenshots of visual demo tools, for scenegraph and asset creation, e.g. werkkzeug 3: http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=8787&page=127 http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=8787&page=127

gugagore 9y ago
I had never thought about the importance of being self-hosting like that. I missed the point about the camel case name. In any case, it's marketed as LabVIEW (VIEW standing for Virtual Instrument Engineering Workbench), not LabView.
- posterboy 9y ago
  Probably it's not intended as a full development environment, more like a scripting language. The name just strikes me as unprofessional, or at least not very serious, just like the programming environment that it is, and I guess that's not even a bad thing if that's intended, considering the target group (of technically inclined but uninitiated or at least slow with a key board kind of lab rats).