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BLMers will scream "murder" and "hands up don't shoot" at the top of their lungs at every chance they get, but when confronted with the evidence that the allege

BLMers will scream "murder" and "hands up don't shoot" at the top of their lungs at every chance they get, but when confronted with the evidence that the alleged victim of a police shooting was in fact a violent criminal living in violent neighborhood, suddenly the movement is about social issues and body cameras...until the next shooting and the cycle repeats. A movement genuinely pushing for reasonable police reform and replacing lead pipes (for all people of all colors) would be much better received. But the problem is the movement is self-evidently not about actually solving problems. It's about pushing racial narratives. I suspect responses to your comment will further affirm this.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> suddenly the movement is about social issues and body cameras. The movement has always, from day one, been about social issues (with equal accountability foremost among those issues.) Assuring that killers of blacks, law enforcement or otherwise, are held to account until and unless there is clear evidence of justification is central, however, to that. > A movement genuinely pushing for reasonable police reform and replacing lead pipes (for all people of all colors) would be much better received. Movements along both those lines exist and have for longer than BLM, and have beeb generally ignored (conversely, attention driven by BLM has been successful at driving general police reforms.) Those others are not much better received, no matter how many times concern trolls trot out the line that if only BLM wasn't about Black Lives it would somehow magically be better at advancing it's interests and incidentally better at other things, to.
anigbrowl 9y ago
You're applying the hierarchical standards of a corporation to a loose-knit network of activists united by a common vision. This would be as foolish as dismissing the open source movement because of Richard Stallman's unfortunate tendency to cut his toenails in public.
panic 9y ago
It doesn't matter whether they're violent criminals. Our country has a court system. The role of judge, jury and executioner does not belong to police officers.
- briholt 9y ago
  That's delusional. When a criminal reaches for a gun, or aims it at a person, or even tackles an armed cop, cops absolutely have the right and the obligation to shoot. And when BLM lies about criminals in the act of threatening cops, they endanger both cops and the very communities which they pretend to save.
  - panic 9y ago
    I was just speaking to the part about being a "violent criminal living in a violent neighborhood" -- that doesn't justify shooting someone. Typically in these cases the victim wasn't threatening the police officer's life in any way. Walter Scott was shot while running away. Freddie Gray was already safely in police custody. Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes, not attacking anyone. Tamir Rice was a 12 year old playing with a toy gun.
    - ForHackernews 9y ago
      Sandra Bland was an unarmed woman frustrated by a traffic stop.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    What does it take to get people like you to acknowledge the existence of racial bias in policing? Here's a case form near where I live. The guy was shot, but note how police had been called out on two previous occasions when the guy was shooting at his neighbor's cars (one of which was occupied at the time) and they didn't arrest him. https://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2017/02/18/police-did-not-arrest-east-oakland-shooter-despite-two-earlier-gunfire-incidents-in-a-week-at-his-home https://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2017/02/18... The guy in Portland who murdered two people and injured a third a week or two back was taken into custody peacefully despite being armed with a large knife or a machete, I forget which right now. Dylann Roof murdered 8 or 9 people in a church last year but he was apprehended without incident when the police showed up. Conversely, some months ago in Florida a black caregiver who was trying to get an autistic mental patient out of a busy street and back to the assisted living facility lay down on the ground with his hands in the air when he saw a police car appear, preparing to explain the situation to the officer. The cop got out of his car shot him in the leg anyway. When he asked the officer why he had shot him, the officer replied 'I don't know.' These are anecdotal examples rather than statistical proof, but you're divorced from reality if you don't think police treat suspects very very differently based on skin color. I'm afraid that I think it is you who are delusional.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> suddenly the movement is about social issues and body cameras. The movement has always, from day one, been about social issues (with equal accountability foremost among those issues.) Assuring that killers of blacks, law enforcement or otherwise, are held to account until and unless there is clear evidence of justification is central, however, to that. > A movement genuinely pushing for reasonable police reform and replacing lead pipes (for all people of all colors) would be much better received. Movements along both those lines exist and have for longer than BLM, and have beeb generally ignored (conversely, attention driven by BLM has been successful at driving general police reforms.) Those others are not much better received, no matter how many times concern trolls trot out the line that if only BLM wasn't about Black Lives it would somehow magically be better at advancing it's interests and incidentally better at other things, to.

anigbrowl 9y ago

You're applying the hierarchical standards of a corporation to a loose-knit network of activists united by a common vision. This would be as foolish as dismissing the open source movement because of Richard Stallman's unfortunate tendency to cut his toenails in public.

panic 9y ago

It doesn't matter whether they're violent criminals. Our country has a court system. The role of judge, jury and executioner does not belong to police officers.

briholt 9y ago
That's delusional. When a criminal reaches for a gun, or aims it at a person, or even tackles an armed cop, cops absolutely have the right and the obligation to shoot. And when BLM lies about criminals in the act of threatening cops, they endanger both cops and the very communities which they pretend to save.
- panic 9y ago
  I was just speaking to the part about being a "violent criminal living in a violent neighborhood" -- that doesn't justify shooting someone. Typically in these cases the victim wasn't threatening the police officer's life in any way. Walter Scott was shot while running away. Freddie Gray was already safely in police custody. Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes, not attacking anyone. Tamir Rice was a 12 year old playing with a toy gun.
  - ForHackernews 9y ago
    Sandra Bland was an unarmed woman frustrated by a traffic stop.
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  What does it take to get people like you to acknowledge the existence of racial bias in policing? Here's a case form near where I live. The guy was shot, but note how police had been called out on two previous occasions when the guy was shooting at his neighbor's cars (one of which was occupied at the time) and they didn't arrest him. https://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2017/02/18/police-did-not-arrest-east-oakland-shooter-despite-two-earlier-gunfire-incidents-in-a-week-at-his-home https://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2017/02/18... The guy in Portland who murdered two people and injured a third a week or two back was taken into custody peacefully despite being armed with a large knife or a machete, I forget which right now. Dylann Roof murdered 8 or 9 people in a church last year but he was apprehended without incident when the police showed up. Conversely, some months ago in Florida a black caregiver who was trying to get an autistic mental patient out of a busy street and back to the assisted living facility lay down on the ground with his hands in the air when he saw a police car appear, preparing to explain the situation to the officer. The cop got out of his car shot him in the leg anyway. When he asked the officer why he had shot him, the officer replied 'I don't know.' These are anecdotal examples rather than statistical proof, but you're divorced from reality if you don't think police treat suspects very very differently based on skin color. I'm afraid that I think it is you who are delusional.