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A reasoned response is a red flag?

danielhooper 9y ago
If you have a workplace where women and minorities cannot discuss their issues without a white man butting in to whine "but what about meee?" then yes, that is a toxic work environment.
- bbcbasic 9y ago
  That's a good point but need to be careful not to conflate racist issues with general shit place to work issues.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    ... aaand there are people all over this discussion changing the original question into general shit place to work issues. So much for answering the question and keeping the discussion focused.
- idiotdummy 9y ago
  So "not a minority" means you're a white man?
  - bbcbasic 9y ago
    Not necessarily. Deaf, blind, dwarfs, old (e.g. 70), very young (e.g. 16), single fathers and amputees would all be minorities that could apply to white males.
- FT_intern 9y ago
  The implication/undertone of most of the diversity discussions is that minorities and women have worse experiences than white men. The discussions are centered around women/minority experiences compared to those of white men, without allowing white men to share their experiences for actual comparison. Just like the white man doesn't know what it is like to be a woman or a minority, the minorities and women don't know what it is like to be a white man. Getting to the truth (finding out the severity of mistreatment/inequality, if there is any) and fostering understanding between both sides would be for the good of society. This would involve listening to both experiences.
roguecoder 9y ago
"Colorblind" beliefs cover up racism and hurt the people who experience it by refusing to acknowledge what is actually happening to them: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41675099?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/41675099?seq=1#page_scan_tab_co... If people can't entertain the well-supported fact that individual's experiences differ on the basis of how they are perceived, they end up supporting the discriminatory status quo. This is similar to how telling people an organization is a meritocracy leads to more discrimination against women: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2189/asqu.2010.55.4.543 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2189/asqu.2010.55.4.5...
dang 9y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, and especially not trollish provocations on an already divisive topic. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14492198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14492198 and marked it off-topic.

If you have a workplace where women and minorities cannot discuss their issues without a white man butting in to whine "but what about meee?" then yes, that is a toxic work environment.

bbcbasic 9y ago
That's a good point but need to be careful not to conflate racist issues with general shit place to work issues.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  ... aaand there are people all over this discussion changing the original question into general shit place to work issues. So much for answering the question and keeping the discussion focused.
idiotdummy 9y ago
So "not a minority" means you're a white man?
- bbcbasic 9y ago
  Not necessarily. Deaf, blind, dwarfs, old (e.g. 70), very young (e.g. 16), single fathers and amputees would all be minorities that could apply to white males.
FT_intern 9y ago
The implication/undertone of most of the diversity discussions is that minorities and women have worse experiences than white men. The discussions are centered around women/minority experiences compared to those of white men, without allowing white men to share their experiences for actual comparison. Just like the white man doesn't know what it is like to be a woman or a minority, the minorities and women don't know what it is like to be a white man. Getting to the truth (finding out the severity of mistreatment/inequality, if there is any) and fostering understanding between both sides would be for the good of society. This would involve listening to both experiences.

roguecoder 9y ago

"Colorblind" beliefs cover up racism and hurt the people who experience it by refusing to acknowledge what is actually happening to them: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41675099?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.jstor.org/stable/41675099?seq=1#page_scan_tab_co... If people can't entertain the well-supported fact that individual's experiences differ on the basis of how they are perceived, they end up supporting the discriminatory status quo. This is similar to how telling people an organization is a meritocracy leads to more discrimination against women: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2189/asqu.2010.55.4.543 http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2189/asqu.2010.55.4.5...

dang 9y ago

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, and especially not trollish provocations on an already divisive topic. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14492198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14492198 and marked it off-topic.