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This looks like a preliminary move by Apple to establish itself as a viable work computer. Windows and linux environments currently appear to reign supreme ove

This looks like a preliminary move by Apple to establish itself as a viable work computer. Windows and linux environments currently appear to reign supreme over the workplace, the former because of programs like Skype and outlook integration, the latter for ease of development. I think Apple has a long uphill battle attempting to break into the industry against the value-sell of existing options.

cortesoft 9y ago
I feel like 90% of the developers I know use Macs, even though a good chunk of the time they are just SSHing to Linux machines to do their work.
- criley2 9y ago
  And I don't know a developer who develops on a Mac. Seriously, the number is 0. I know a number of artists and designers with them though. Ahhh, anecdotes.
  - rubicon33 9y ago
    You don't know a single iOS or MacOS developer?
  - haburka 9y ago
    Do you know less than 10 developers or something? Do you code for Microsoft? Do you live in a country where its nearly impossible to get apple products?
    - michel-slm 9y ago
      or where the income level makes buying Macs prohibitively expensive
  - cortesoft 9y ago
    I was responding to a comment that was clearly anecdotal in nature (the comment uses the phrase "currently appear"), and offered my own anecdote in response. I don't think that is an unreasonable thing to respond with. Also, you know ZERO developers who use Macs? That seems crazy, or you don't know many developers.
- SomeCallMeTim 9y ago
  Most developers use Windows. [1] The second most popular OS is Linux on Stack Overflow, and some of those may be running Macs. There are certainly groups where Macs are popular. Startups use a lot of Macs; when I go to a coworking space in Boulder mostly everyone has a Mac. They're super common in cafes as well. But not everyone uses a Mac. Not everyone likes Macs (myself included). [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-platforms https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-pl...
  - cortesoft 9y ago
    I am not sure your reference really contradicts what I was saying; it is talking about what 'platform' do you develop for, not what OS you use to do your development (I mean, AWS is listed as the #4 platform, which is not a desktop OS). All the servers that run the code I write are Linux machines, so I would say I develop 'for' the Linux platform. However, I use a mac laptop to type that code.
    - SomeCallMeTim 9y ago
      It's listing what technologies are used by developers. I would wager very few use Macs to develop for Windows. The vast majority of developers out there are using Windows. I would believe the majority of start-up engineers are using Macs, but the world of software development is probably 100x that of "start-up engineers."
madeofpalk 9y ago
> Apple to establish itself as a viable work computer. Apple is already 'established' as a 'viable work computer'. Moreso than Linux at least. Depending on what industry you're in you'll find quite a solid adoption of Mac computers used as 'daily drivers' for people.
- scryder 9y ago
  I am not saying Apple is a bad brand; their computers are of high quality, are great for personal use, and are more than capable of productive work. However, statistically Apple computers certainly are not, in aggregate, established as work computers. Windows maintains continuing dominance at 90% market share of the desktop market, and optimistic projections from Apple-favorable sites estimate about 8% market share, with Linux at about 1-2%. [1] You can think Apple tech is good but recognize in the workplace Apple has presently lost and is playing catch-up. [1] http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/11/apple-grows-to-74-of-worldwide-pc-market-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac/amp/ http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/11/apple-grows-to-74-...
  - madeofpalk 9y ago
    Idk, I work at an airline at the moment and about 1/3 of people here at the 'head office' use Macs. Higher rates in tech teams. Sure, maybe these aggregated 'market' figures tell a different story than what I've seen anecdotally, but they seem to be doing fairly okay in 'the workplace'
BinaryIdiot 9y ago
This is only available for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch, not macOS. It's also not a slack competitor but for companies to interact with their users through Apple's software. Check this page out for different details: https://developer.apple.com/business-chat/ https://developer.apple.com/business-chat/

cortesoft 9y ago

I feel like 90% of the developers I know use Macs, even though a good chunk of the time they are just SSHing to Linux machines to do their work.

criley2 9y ago
And I don't know a developer who develops on a Mac. Seriously, the number is 0. I know a number of artists and designers with them though. Ahhh, anecdotes.
- rubicon33 9y ago
  You don't know a single iOS or MacOS developer?
- haburka 9y ago
  Do you know less than 10 developers or something? Do you code for Microsoft? Do you live in a country where its nearly impossible to get apple products?
  - michel-slm 9y ago
    or where the income level makes buying Macs prohibitively expensive
- cortesoft 9y ago
  I was responding to a comment that was clearly anecdotal in nature (the comment uses the phrase "currently appear"), and offered my own anecdote in response. I don't think that is an unreasonable thing to respond with. Also, you know ZERO developers who use Macs? That seems crazy, or you don't know many developers.
SomeCallMeTim 9y ago
Most developers use Windows. [1] The second most popular OS is Linux on Stack Overflow, and some of those may be running Macs. There are certainly groups where Macs are popular. Startups use a lot of Macs; when I go to a coworking space in Boulder mostly everyone has a Mac. They're super common in cafes as well. But not everyone uses a Mac. Not everyone likes Macs (myself included). [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-platforms https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-pl...
- cortesoft 9y ago
  I am not sure your reference really contradicts what I was saying; it is talking about what 'platform' do you develop for, not what OS you use to do your development (I mean, AWS is listed as the #4 platform, which is not a desktop OS). All the servers that run the code I write are Linux machines, so I would say I develop 'for' the Linux platform. However, I use a mac laptop to type that code.
  - SomeCallMeTim 9y ago
    It's listing what technologies are used by developers. I would wager very few use Macs to develop for Windows. The vast majority of developers out there are using Windows. I would believe the majority of start-up engineers are using Macs, but the world of software development is probably 100x that of "start-up engineers."

madeofpalk 9y ago

> Apple to establish itself as a viable work computer. Apple is already 'established' as a 'viable work computer'. Moreso than Linux at least. Depending on what industry you're in you'll find quite a solid adoption of Mac computers used as 'daily drivers' for people.

scryder 9y ago
I am not saying Apple is a bad brand; their computers are of high quality, are great for personal use, and are more than capable of productive work. However, statistically Apple computers certainly are not, in aggregate, established as work computers. Windows maintains continuing dominance at 90% market share of the desktop market, and optimistic projections from Apple-favorable sites estimate about 8% market share, with Linux at about 1-2%. [1] You can think Apple tech is good but recognize in the workplace Apple has presently lost and is playing catch-up. [1] http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/11/apple-grows-to-74-of-worldwide-pc-market-as-windows-continues-to-cede-share-to-the-mac/amp/ http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/11/apple-grows-to-74-...
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  Idk, I work at an airline at the moment and about 1/3 of people here at the 'head office' use Macs. Higher rates in tech teams. Sure, maybe these aggregated 'market' figures tell a different story than what I've seen anecdotally, but they seem to be doing fairly okay in 'the workplace'

BinaryIdiot 9y ago

This is only available for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch, not macOS. It's also not a slack competitor but for companies to interact with their users through Apple's software. Check this page out for different details: https://developer.apple.com/business-chat/ https://developer.apple.com/business-chat/