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Depends what you're using it for. If it's mostly tablet-y things (consuming stuff, casual infront-of-TV use), iOS is clearly superior. You can try and tear the

Depends what you're using it for. If it's mostly tablet-y things (consuming stuff, casual infront-of-TV use), iOS is clearly superior. You can try and tear the iPads from my parents' cold dead hands. If you want to 'get work done', sure you'd have to take Windows over iOS. But then Apple users would be reaching for a Macbook instead. I get why people want 'both' from the Surface, but to an Apple user like me, Windows doesn't appeal for either use-case. I'll take macOS for work and iOS for casual use, and put up with separate devices for now.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago
Right, but this submission is about the iPad Pro announcement, not iPads in general. I have an iPad. It gets used for exactly what you describe. Work gets done on my Macbook. I like iOS on my iPhone. I like OSX on my Macbook. The only thing I'm pushing back on is the idea that iOS (via the iPad Pro) is set to consume my Macbook.
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- allover 9y ago
  That was not at all clear from your comment.
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BatFastard 9y ago
Why two separate devices when you can do it all on one? Right, so Apple can sell you more over priced hardware.
- ihuman 9y ago
  I'd rather have 2 devices made for dedicated form factors that play to the pros and cons of said form factor, than a jack of all trades, master of none.
- allover 9y ago
  I think I just explained why I prefer two separate devices, but to clarify further: I don't like Windows, I prefer a unix-based OS for work, and iOS is a much better tablet OS in my opinion. Also I don't agree with 'over priced hardware'. I tend to find if you look for comparable hardware from other manufacturers the prices are similar (e.g. Samsung S8 vs iPhone, Dell XPS vs Macbook).
  - BatFastard 9y ago
    So the best processor you can get on a macbook pro is an i5. Dell XPS comes with an i7. Same memory, same SSD, Mac has worse graphics card. Mac has soldered in memory. And it 600 bucks more. https://www.amazon.com/Dell-XPS-15-15-6-Inch-i7-6700HQ/dp/B019PB6X78 https://www.amazon.com/Dell-XPS-15-15-6-Inch-i7-6700HQ/dp/B0... https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro
    - mikewhy 9y ago
      On a 13-inch, sure. The 15 inch all have i7 processors. The screen resolution is much higher, they come with double the ram, not a "home OS" (whatever that is), and I'm not sure how an AMD 560m stacks up against an Nvidia 960m. Not to say the MacBook will be cheaper, just pointing out discrepancies in your comparison.
      - p1esk 9y ago
        Here you go: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1Q0M4O https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1Q0M4O Dell is $1,000 cheaper than a comparable MBP.
        dkonofalski 9y ago
        A plastic computer is not the same as one from machined aluminium. They may have similar specs, but they are not the same computer and the premium you pay falls directly into the spots where your specs fall apart.
- coldtea 9y ago
  Why buy forks and knives and beer openers and such when you can just have a swiss army knife?
  - falcolas 9y ago
    Maybe I want to use my fork and knife at the same time, in each hand? Not to mention, the knife in a Swiss Army knife is going to be way worse than a similarly priced knife. There's a number of things you can do with a $60 knife you can't with a Swiss Army knife.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      I think that was the parent's point.
      - coldtea 9y ago
        Indeed.
    - gglitch 9y ago
      Off-topic, but I'm a lifelong collector of knives, and I use my $13 Spartan about 100x more than any of the others. Honestly, probably not an exaggeration. Its utility divided by its cost is extremely happy-making.
  - TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
    Indeed. My mobile office has been reduced to a 12" iPad Pro with a 13" MB. All files are kept in iCloud and shared between the portable devices, a MBP, an iMac, and a custom PC. The two portables together - inside a shared soft case with plastic protectors on each - weigh a lot less than my 15" 2015 MBP, and vastly less than a 17" Dell laptop I tried to use for a while. Having two big screens and one real keyboard is hugely more productive than trying to do everything on a single device. The MBP gets hauled out for anything that needs more power or a bigger screen - not often in practice, because the battery life isn't anywhere close to being good enough for a full day of work. I moved to this setup from the MBP about six months ago, and it's been a big step up in productivity. With two fairly light devices I can do almost anything I need to do almost anywhere. It's at least as productive for coding, research, and social as my old non-portable dual-screen Mac Mini setup from a few years ago. It's not powerful enough for content creation, but that needs extra music hardware and bigger displays, and for now I'm happy to leave the tools for that at home. As a bonus, the big iPad on its own is also the best ereader I've ever used.
floatboth 9y ago
Depends on what kind of work — some very very strong iOS design/photo/graphics apps exist. And music (Audiobus ecosystem).
cm2187 9y ago
Mostly the surface is more of a portable laptop. Slow to wake, short autonomy. Not the kind of thing you charge once a week and can forget in the sofa, and can be turned on instantaneously. Not the same market at all.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago

Right, but this submission is about the iPad Pro announcement, not iPads in general. I have an iPad. It gets used for exactly what you describe. Work gets done on my Macbook. I like iOS on my iPhone. I like OSX on my Macbook. The only thing I'm pushing back on is the idea that iOS (via the iPad Pro) is set to consume my Macbook.

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allover 9y ago
That was not at all clear from your comment.
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BatFastard 9y ago

Why two separate devices when you can do it all on one? Right, so Apple can sell you more over priced hardware.

ihuman 9y ago
I'd rather have 2 devices made for dedicated form factors that play to the pros and cons of said form factor, than a jack of all trades, master of none.
allover 9y ago
I think I just explained why I prefer two separate devices, but to clarify further: I don't like Windows, I prefer a unix-based OS for work, and iOS is a much better tablet OS in my opinion. Also I don't agree with 'over priced hardware'. I tend to find if you look for comparable hardware from other manufacturers the prices are similar (e.g. Samsung S8 vs iPhone, Dell XPS vs Macbook).
- BatFastard 9y ago
  So the best processor you can get on a macbook pro is an i5. Dell XPS comes with an i7. Same memory, same SSD, Mac has worse graphics card. Mac has soldered in memory. And it 600 bucks more. https://www.amazon.com/Dell-XPS-15-15-6-Inch-i7-6700HQ/dp/B019PB6X78 https://www.amazon.com/Dell-XPS-15-15-6-Inch-i7-6700HQ/dp/B0... https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro
  - mikewhy 9y ago
    On a 13-inch, sure. The 15 inch all have i7 processors. The screen resolution is much higher, they come with double the ram, not a "home OS" (whatever that is), and I'm not sure how an AMD 560m stacks up against an Nvidia 960m. Not to say the MacBook will be cheaper, just pointing out discrepancies in your comparison.
    - p1esk 9y ago
      Here you go: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1Q0M4O https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1Q0M4O Dell is $1,000 cheaper than a comparable MBP.
      - dkonofalski 9y ago
        A plastic computer is not the same as one from machined aluminium. They may have similar specs, but they are not the same computer and the premium you pay falls directly into the spots where your specs fall apart.
coldtea 9y ago
Why buy forks and knives and beer openers and such when you can just have a swiss army knife?
- falcolas 9y ago
  Maybe I want to use my fork and knife at the same time, in each hand? Not to mention, the knife in a Swiss Army knife is going to be way worse than a similarly priced knife. There's a number of things you can do with a $60 knife you can't with a Swiss Army knife.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    I think that was the parent's point.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      Indeed.
  - gglitch 9y ago
    Off-topic, but I'm a lifelong collector of knives, and I use my $13 Spartan about 100x more than any of the others. Honestly, probably not an exaggeration. Its utility divided by its cost is extremely happy-making.
- TheOtherHobbes 9y ago
  Indeed. My mobile office has been reduced to a 12" iPad Pro with a 13" MB. All files are kept in iCloud and shared between the portable devices, a MBP, an iMac, and a custom PC. The two portables together - inside a shared soft case with plastic protectors on each - weigh a lot less than my 15" 2015 MBP, and vastly less than a 17" Dell laptop I tried to use for a while. Having two big screens and one real keyboard is hugely more productive than trying to do everything on a single device. The MBP gets hauled out for anything that needs more power or a bigger screen - not often in practice, because the battery life isn't anywhere close to being good enough for a full day of work. I moved to this setup from the MBP about six months ago, and it's been a big step up in productivity. With two fairly light devices I can do almost anything I need to do almost anywhere. It's at least as productive for coding, research, and social as my old non-portable dual-screen Mac Mini setup from a few years ago. It's not powerful enough for content creation, but that needs extra music hardware and bigger displays, and for now I'm happy to leave the tools for that at home. As a bonus, the big iPad on its own is also the best ereader I've ever used.

floatboth 9y ago

Depends on what kind of work — some very very strong iOS design/photo/graphics apps exist. And music (Audiobus ecosystem).

cm2187 9y ago

Mostly the surface is more of a portable laptop. Slow to wake, short autonomy. Not the kind of thing you charge once a week and can forget in the sofa, and can be turned on instantaneously. Not the same market at all.