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This is actually really concerning to me. If they blocked Google Analytics, it would severely damage that data. It'd be bad news for site owners who just want t
by dbbk 9y ago
This is actually really concerning to me. If they blocked Google Analytics, it would severely damage that data. It'd be bad news for site owners who just want to quantify their traffic.
- icelancer 9y ago....so? Site owners are not guaranteed this access; their script runs on the client computer. I say this as someone who does a lot of analytical research and re-targeting and would be hurt if this was rolled out on a larger scale; I just don't think I have a right to the data.
- ksk 9y agoWell, if don't care about things that prevent you from doing your job, then what exactly is the point of working in that field?
- Spivak 9y agoImagine you were a police officer with this mentality. "As someone who investigates lots of crimes, it's totally fine if someone invokes the fifth amendment, I don't have the right to compel them to answer." "I mean if you don't care about something prevents you from doing your job, why even join the force?"
- ksk 9y agoI don't have to "imagine" anything. Let me invite you to consider the context of my original comment before coming up with ridiculous comparisons.
- lovich 9y agoDoesn't seem that ridiculous a comparison to me. You don't have a right to compel something from someone else, but that doesn't meant you just have to give up at whatever task you are trying to accomplish
- ksk 9y agoWhen I read a comment, the first thing I do is read the ones above it so I understand the limited scope of the comment. I don't immediately rub my hands with glee and go about compiling a list of situations to which the comment doesn't apply. I guess that sort of thing appeals to some. Complaining about losing data is in no way the same as assuming entitlement status or forcing someone to do something. The job of a police officer is to enforce laws, and exercise human judgement. The issue with the fifth amendment would be handled by lawyers in courts, not by the officers on the ground. IT jobs have completely different parameters. The comparison with police officer is entirely irrelevant and as such I don't want to continue that discussion.
- epistasis 9y agoKind of presuming the wrong thing there. There's still work to be done, right? Just because something would make the job easier does not mean it should be done, ethics come first.
- ksk 9y agoUm, they were already tracking people, and now they can't (presumably). If ethics were a priority why were they working that job in the first place?
- icelancer 9y agoThere is nothing unethical about using Google Analytics. I also am not entitled to this access, by the very nature of how it works.
- ksk 9y agoI think you responded to the wrong person. I didn't claim it was unethical.
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- epistasis 9y agoI was guessing that the reason that you did not feel entitled onthe data was for ethical reasons (at least that's how I feel). I also feel it's ethical to use the data, as long as it's freely given.
- icelancer 9y agoThey don't prevent me from doing my job. It makes it harder. Oh no, I have to work harder.
- ksk 9y agoWhy is it wrong to want to make your job easier? I guess I don't see your point of view..
- lovich 9y agoWhy is wrong for people to want to protect something they have of value, from someone else just harvesting it from them? I can see why this is annoying but can you really not see the other side of this situation?
- ksk 9y agoI don't think you quite understand this conversation. I'll prefer to not argue with you any further.
- josteink 9y ago> I don't think you quite understand this conversation. Looking at the conversation as an outsider, it seems to me you are the one who have things backwards.
- icelancer 9y ago>I don't think you quite understand this conversation. Pretty sure you should read the remainder of the comments and see which person is having trouble understanding everyone else.
- icelancer 9y agoI would like it to be easier. I also know that I am not entitled to that. This isn't difficult to grasp for most of HN based on the comments...
- rimliu 9y agoWell, back to log files. Which may no longer work with the latest and greatest JS framework :(
- Doctor_Fegg 9y agoThe article says (my emphasis): > segregate the _cross-site_ scripting data So if you "just want to quantify your traffic", use self-hosted Piwik (i.e. not cross-site), as many of us do already.
- majewsky 9y agoWhat's the advantage of third-party analytics over self-hosted ones (e.g. GA over Piwik), except for "someone else hosts it for me for free"? Honest question. I'm not logging anything about my websites' visitors on principle, so I don't have insight into that area.
- draw_down 9y agoWelp. Sorry.