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> Apple introduced a Files app that essentially works like the Finder app on Mac, and even allows it to now sync with third party cloud providers besides just i

> Apple introduced a Files app that essentially works like the Finder app on Mac, and even allows it to now sync with third party cloud providers besides just iCloud. I think it's a real gamechanger and something I've been personally waiting on. We'll see how well it works, I suppose. Remember that Apple thought this was a dumb, backwards feature (paraphrasing) when people were asking for it years ago. > Also, in response to a sibling comment on this thread; it won't be too long now before we see full blown app development on iPads as well. What are you basing the "won't be long" sentiment on? I don't mean to get on you, but there's a lot of optimism in your post, and I'm not sure that's entirely warranted just yet. Yeah the hardware is a lot better, but it's yet to be seen if it's still just a giant iPhone from a software perspective. Of course, you may think my cynicism is unwarranted, that's fair too.

blazespin 9y ago
Optimism? It's pretty obvious that Apple is going to start cannibalizing their laptops. I personally already use my ipad pro as a laptop. The file thing is neat, for sure, and I'll use it definitely (zip files, in particular) but it's not that huge for me. I'm mostly cloud based and I already have a file manager app.
- SmellTheGlove 9y ago
  This post is about the new iPad Pro release, though. The iPad Pro itself isn't that different from a regular iPad - it has a keyboard and stylus, but the same OS and mostly the same apps. In that regard, Apple was already cannibalizing its laptops with the iPad for a certain set of use cases. The iPad Pro doesn't go much beyond that. The optimism is in framing the above as "not yet" and that's fine, but that is optimism.
dyarosla 9y ago
This update in combination with all their efforts going towards Swift Playgrounds. All signs point to it.
- SmellTheGlove 9y ago
  Swift Playgrounds looks great, so why still the need to export to Xcode to build and publish? I'd love for this to actually happen, I'm just not yet sold that it will.
orbitur 9y ago
> Remember that Apple thought this was a dumb, backwards feature (paraphrasing) when people were asking for it years ago They also (rightly) saw that iOS, and the devices it runs on, weren't even close to replacing a desktop-class device. Now, we're about to cross that line.
- SmellTheGlove 9y ago
  > They also (rightly) saw that iOS, and the devices it runs on, weren't even close to replacing a desktop-class device. Now, we're about to cross that line. Are we? I'm not seeing that. It may happen, but this iteration isn't it. I'm really happy with every OSX product I've purchased. On the iOS side, there's a long way to go before I can bring only my iPad instead of my Macbook. I don't really want to carry both. If the iPad Pro can replace my laptop for the bulk of my work day, I'll be right there with you buying one. I'm just not sold on that as Apple's vision.
  - orbitur 9y ago
    I said we're close. I think we're less than 5 years away from macOS being phased out. I'd put money on it. edit: People really dislike this comment. I'm not claiming desktop class devices are going away, I'm claiming that iOS is growing into a desktop class OS, and we are absolutely at that threshold. I hope anyone downvoting can explicitly address that.
    - ghaff 9y ago
      It's hard to believe that there won't be some sort of reconvergence between laptops and tablets. The trick is to do so without compromising either the laptop or the tablet. One could argue that the Surface Pro comes closest, but not really. It really doesn't make sense for me to travel with both a tablet and a laptop/Chromebook given that they're mostly similar hardware. Their sweet spots are different enough today that I carry both--and consider that, if I only carried one, I'd probably be carrying more batteries as well. On the other hand, for the same reasons, it's not really in Apple's interests to discourage you from buying two separate devices. I do think we'll get to that point though.

blazespin 9y ago

Optimism? It's pretty obvious that Apple is going to start cannibalizing their laptops. I personally already use my ipad pro as a laptop. The file thing is neat, for sure, and I'll use it definitely (zip files, in particular) but it's not that huge for me. I'm mostly cloud based and I already have a file manager app.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago
This post is about the new iPad Pro release, though. The iPad Pro itself isn't that different from a regular iPad - it has a keyboard and stylus, but the same OS and mostly the same apps. In that regard, Apple was already cannibalizing its laptops with the iPad for a certain set of use cases. The iPad Pro doesn't go much beyond that. The optimism is in framing the above as "not yet" and that's fine, but that is optimism.

dyarosla 9y ago

This update in combination with all their efforts going towards Swift Playgrounds. All signs point to it.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago
Swift Playgrounds looks great, so why still the need to export to Xcode to build and publish? I'd love for this to actually happen, I'm just not yet sold that it will.

orbitur 9y ago

> Remember that Apple thought this was a dumb, backwards feature (paraphrasing) when people were asking for it years ago They also (rightly) saw that iOS, and the devices it runs on, weren't even close to replacing a desktop-class device. Now, we're about to cross that line.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago
> They also (rightly) saw that iOS, and the devices it runs on, weren't even close to replacing a desktop-class device. Now, we're about to cross that line. Are we? I'm not seeing that. It may happen, but this iteration isn't it. I'm really happy with every OSX product I've purchased. On the iOS side, there's a long way to go before I can bring only my iPad instead of my Macbook. I don't really want to carry both. If the iPad Pro can replace my laptop for the bulk of my work day, I'll be right there with you buying one. I'm just not sold on that as Apple's vision.
- orbitur 9y ago
  I said we're close. I think we're less than 5 years away from macOS being phased out. I'd put money on it. edit: People really dislike this comment. I'm not claiming desktop class devices are going away, I'm claiming that iOS is growing into a desktop class OS, and we are absolutely at that threshold. I hope anyone downvoting can explicitly address that.
  - ghaff 9y ago
    It's hard to believe that there won't be some sort of reconvergence between laptops and tablets. The trick is to do so without compromising either the laptop or the tablet. One could argue that the Surface Pro comes closest, but not really. It really doesn't make sense for me to travel with both a tablet and a laptop/Chromebook given that they're mostly similar hardware. Their sweet spots are different enough today that I carry both--and consider that, if I only carried one, I'd probably be carrying more batteries as well. On the other hand, for the same reasons, it's not really in Apple's interests to discourage you from buying two separate devices. I do think we'll get to that point though.