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Surface Pro will slaughter this thing too as it runs a full desktop OS and an Intel chip.

usaphp 9y ago
Well the downside of it is that you can use iPad pro without keyboard because its optimized for a touch, while with Surface pro you can't do much without a keyboard, windows is nowhere near as touch friendly as iOS. So you end up with a flimsy laptop like tablet that you can't even put on your laps without it collapsing...
- stevecalifornia 9y ago
  You can completely use a Surface Pro without a keyboard. It has a touch screen, on-screen keyboard and a stylus. I use it frequently without a keyboard.
  - usaphp 9y ago
    You can, but it's not convenient with a bad windows touch support.
    - rhodysurf 9y ago
      Windows has a tablet mode that adapts to be touch friendly. Its pretty good actually
      - usaphp 9y ago
        yeah but do you need core i7 and full GPU to use a tablet mode? What can you do in tablet mode to use the specs that surface users gloat about?
        jameskegel 9y ago
        I feel like you're grasping at anything you can right now. Would you like to be more forthcoming with your opinion here without the required song and dance?
        mhermher 9y ago
        It's a textbook example of moving the goal posts.
        kartickv 9y ago
        On the contrary, usaphp is making a valid point, which is that the Surface has two modes, and that many things that work well in one mode don't work well in the other. In tablet mode, you're generally using lighter weight apps, so you don't need the full power of the device. Or, if you're using pro apps like IDEs, they're generally not touch-optimised. You can't have both at once. You can in theory, but not in practice, as every review points out.
        rhodysurf 9y ago
        I dont think its a stretch to see that it is nice to have a tablet device for things like note taking and web browsing on the same device that I can do things like run Matlab simulations
      - jaegerpicker 9y ago
        with what apps? Windows has very few good touch based apps available. If all you do is browse or read pdfs/books sure but my surface is all but useless for much else. The stylus is ok but most graphics apps do a really poor job of supporting touch. Whereas the iPad has a bunch of great touch based graphics apps.
    - vamsipk 9y ago
      Where is this coming from?
    - deleted 9y ago
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- nozzlegear 9y ago
  I use my Windows 10 2-in-1 device in tablet mode at least 75% of the time. It absolutely is touch friendly.
  - usaphp 9y ago
    But what's the point of getting core i7 and power hungry gpu to use a tablet mode?
    - baq 9y ago
      do you want to have a discussion or do you just have an ax to grind?
      - usaphp 9y ago
        What's the point of your comment?
        corin_ 9y ago
        I assume his point is that several people (judging on your comments being downvoted) think you are just bashing surface with no good reason. First you respond saying that the problem with the Surface is it's not touch-friendly, then when pointed out that it apparently is you reply saying that if it's used in touch mode then its power is irrelevant, and you seem to be missing the point that being able to operate as a powerful machine OR a touch-friendly machine, with the user being able to choose between them, is a double win, not a double loss. Basically, your comments on this subject come across as biased in favour of iPad over Surface. And I say that as somebody who has never owned a Surface and who hasn't owned an iPad for several years.
  - bosie 9y ago
    What do you do in tablet mode? I bought a surface pro 4 and returned it after a few weeks. Reading a PDF was just straight up horrible as I couldn't a single app that was touch friendly with appropriate features. I.e. highlighting things required too many pen-clicks, on very tiny icons

Well the downside of it is that you can use iPad pro without keyboard because its optimized for a touch, while with Surface pro you can't do much without a keyboard, windows is nowhere near as touch friendly as iOS. So you end up with a flimsy laptop like tablet that you can't even put on your laps without it collapsing...

stevecalifornia 9y ago
You can completely use a Surface Pro without a keyboard. It has a touch screen, on-screen keyboard and a stylus. I use it frequently without a keyboard.
- usaphp 9y ago
  You can, but it's not convenient with a bad windows touch support.
  - rhodysurf 9y ago
    Windows has a tablet mode that adapts to be touch friendly. Its pretty good actually
    - usaphp 9y ago
      yeah but do you need core i7 and full GPU to use a tablet mode? What can you do in tablet mode to use the specs that surface users gloat about?
      - jameskegel 9y ago
        I feel like you're grasping at anything you can right now. Would you like to be more forthcoming with your opinion here without the required song and dance?
        mhermher 9y ago
        It's a textbook example of moving the goal posts.
        kartickv 9y ago
        On the contrary, usaphp is making a valid point, which is that the Surface has two modes, and that many things that work well in one mode don't work well in the other. In tablet mode, you're generally using lighter weight apps, so you don't need the full power of the device. Or, if you're using pro apps like IDEs, they're generally not touch-optimised. You can't have both at once. You can in theory, but not in practice, as every review points out.
      - rhodysurf 9y ago
        I dont think its a stretch to see that it is nice to have a tablet device for things like note taking and web browsing on the same device that I can do things like run Matlab simulations
    - jaegerpicker 9y ago
      with what apps? Windows has very few good touch based apps available. If all you do is browse or read pdfs/books sure but my surface is all but useless for much else. The stylus is ok but most graphics apps do a really poor job of supporting touch. Whereas the iPad has a bunch of great touch based graphics apps.
  - vamsipk 9y ago
    Where is this coming from?
  - deleted 9y ago
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nozzlegear 9y ago
I use my Windows 10 2-in-1 device in tablet mode at least 75% of the time. It absolutely is touch friendly.
- usaphp 9y ago
  But what's the point of getting core i7 and power hungry gpu to use a tablet mode?
  - baq 9y ago
    do you want to have a discussion or do you just have an ax to grind?
    - usaphp 9y ago
      What's the point of your comment?
      - corin_ 9y ago
        I assume his point is that several people (judging on your comments being downvoted) think you are just bashing surface with no good reason. First you respond saying that the problem with the Surface is it's not touch-friendly, then when pointed out that it apparently is you reply saying that if it's used in touch mode then its power is irrelevant, and you seem to be missing the point that being able to operate as a powerful machine OR a touch-friendly machine, with the user being able to choose between them, is a double win, not a double loss. Basically, your comments on this subject come across as biased in favour of iPad over Surface. And I say that as somebody who has never owned a Surface and who hasn't owned an iPad for several years.
- bosie 9y ago
  What do you do in tablet mode? I bought a surface pro 4 and returned it after a few weeks. Reading a PDF was just straight up horrible as I couldn't a single app that was touch friendly with appropriate features. I.e. highlighting things required too many pen-clicks, on very tiny icons