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It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy.

It sounds like the target audience for the new Mac Pro will be people who can afford to spend $10k on a quad-CPU machine. I'm sure those people will be happy. But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again.

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orik 9y ago
on an 18 core machine
zymhan 9y ago
Keep dreaming bud. If you want upgradeability and self-serviceability, build it yourself.
- e40 9y ago
  You mean like the previous Mac Pro?
  - rspeer 9y ago
    Yeah, I had a 2008 Mac Pro that was still a damn good machine when I stopped using it in 2012, because I had upgraded its RAM and its hard disk.
    - joevandyk 9y ago
      I'm still using my Mac Pro from 2008! Upgraded the memory and video card. The colors on the display are completely wonky in the past year so it's being regulated to a plex server. I'm probably paying way too much in energy.
- LeifCarrotson 9y ago
  I (and the parent) want this - and don't mind doing it ourselves - on Mac-supported, stable hardware. A supported, stable, updateable Hackintosh. Please, Apple, sell me a big Apple motherboard, a quality case, and write OS-X with boot and driver software that supports various CPUs, RAM, storage, GPUs, power supplies, and peripherals. You know, like Windows and Linux have done for years. Whitelist or blacklist as necessary to make it reliable and dependable, but no more than necessary. The model works - but Apple doesn't work with the model, which is why my current machine isn't a Mac anymore.
  - threeseed 9y ago
    That is never going to happen. You're just not Apple's target audience. And they did try this model back in the clone days where Power Computing went straight after their high margin customers and nearly killed the company. Great for consumers. Terrible for Apple.
- wil421 9y ago
  I agree and those days are long gone. Recently built a custom desktop but had to use windows. Now that Kaby Lake is supported on Macs I could do a hackintosh.
ebbv 9y ago
> But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. Yeah that's never going to happen. The Pro iMac starts at $5k. When the Mac Pro does come out it will at least start at that as well, if not higher.
- lowbloodsugar 9y ago
  Which is why the "Pro" iMac completely misses the point. Don't want a built in screen. Do want upgradability. $5k to add what I don't want and package it in a way that prevents what I do want. <Facepalm>
  - MaysonL 9y ago
    So wait for the upcoming new Mac Pro sometime next year (probably).
- astrodust 9y ago
  It's not clear if it'll start at $5K. The iMac Pro is a top-tier offering that goes beyond what the already expensive 27" iMac does, and it comes with a screen built-in. The Mac Pro today starts at $3K, so you'll probably see something at the same mark when it does get launched.
  - FireBeyond 9y ago
    Yeah, that's amazingly optimistic, considering the maxed out iMac has a Core i7 processor versus dual(?) Xeons or 18 core Xeon, and 10GbE. Clarity: "The new iMac Pro will start at $4999 and be available in December."
- shinratdr 9y ago
  What makes you think that? A large part of the cost of the iMac is the screen & design. I would expect an entry level new Mac Pro to cost exactly the same or less than every other Mac Pro, so around 3K.
  - 9y ago
paulcole 9y ago
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. It's been years since Apple has made anything that was upgradable/self-serviceable at any price point. To expect that to change now is just unproductive wishful thinking. Either find an alternative or figure out which of Apple's products comes closest to meeting your needs.
asenna 9y ago
I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/ https://www.tonymacx86.com/
- tambourine_man 9y ago
  Sleep, Bluetooth, Wifi work fine?
- dmix 9y ago
  My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported. My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version? I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found modern Linux to be very stable while using cutting edge versions of Linux. Largely thanks to Archlinux. But I've been interested in having a seperate OSX install for Photoshop and Sketch to have an OS for doing design and having Linux for programming/everything else.
  - cmsimike 9y ago
    During my tenure with a hackintosh at home, I never upgraded the OS as it basically meant a reformat. This was around 10.6-10.8 - I don't know if it has got better. Meaning once I installed a flavor of 10.x.y, I would never upgrade to 10.x.(y+1) until a new x came out, then I'd just reformat.
  - nik736 9y ago
    I am upgrading by doing a clean install every big version. I just did my Sierra "upgrade" last week. I am using a Hackintosh for 3 or 4 years now and while it is working I would not recommend it to people who just want something "that works". It gets annoying quite fast and the only thing that kept me using it was the fact that Apple was so bad with updating their product line, which is over now as I will buy the new 5k iMac.
canthonytucci 9y ago
But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I would not hold my breath. If Apple are going to give you something serviceable and upgradable, expect whatever you would have spent servicing and upgrading (at the time of purchase) a "normal" machine through them to be added to the price.
dasil003 9y ago
The two big areas Apple missed the plot before were A) failing to do minimal upkeep on their product lines B) redesigning the Mac Pro without consideration for meeting the needs of its target user base and the heat envelope required. These were colossal and humbling failures for Apple's PC business. The fact that they aren't building commodity-style boxes for hobbyists is very very minor in comparison. The market for these things is shrinking, and it's dominated by price-sensitive people that are not very valuable customers to begin with. If this is what you want, then there's no point in wishful thinking: start looking at Windows / Linux yesterday.
intoverflow2 9y ago
>I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again. To me this machine is a sign that they had. It has the exact same problems as the Mac Pro design with even less modularity (Pro could swap out drives and ram). Although I also think this was supposed to replace the Mac Pro line entirely and only in about jan/feb they decided that they still needed a stand alone Pro. So I guess time will tell if they finally release the "xMac" people have been asking for the past 10 years.

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orik 9y ago

on an 18 core machine

zymhan 9y ago

Keep dreaming bud. If you want upgradeability and self-serviceability, build it yourself.

e40 9y ago
You mean like the previous Mac Pro?
- rspeer 9y ago
  Yeah, I had a 2008 Mac Pro that was still a damn good machine when I stopped using it in 2012, because I had upgraded its RAM and its hard disk.
  - joevandyk 9y ago
    I'm still using my Mac Pro from 2008! Upgraded the memory and video card. The colors on the display are completely wonky in the past year so it's being regulated to a plex server. I'm probably paying way too much in energy.
LeifCarrotson 9y ago
I (and the parent) want this - and don't mind doing it ourselves - on Mac-supported, stable hardware. A supported, stable, updateable Hackintosh. Please, Apple, sell me a big Apple motherboard, a quality case, and write OS-X with boot and driver software that supports various CPUs, RAM, storage, GPUs, power supplies, and peripherals. You know, like Windows and Linux have done for years. Whitelist or blacklist as necessary to make it reliable and dependable, but no more than necessary. The model works - but Apple doesn't work with the model, which is why my current machine isn't a Mac anymore.
- threeseed 9y ago
  That is never going to happen. You're just not Apple's target audience. And they did try this model back in the clone days where Power Computing went straight after their high margin customers and nearly killed the company. Great for consumers. Terrible for Apple.
wil421 9y ago
I agree and those days are long gone. Recently built a custom desktop but had to use windows. Now that Kaby Lake is supported on Macs I could do a hackintosh.

ebbv 9y ago

> But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. Yeah that's never going to happen. The Pro iMac starts at $5k. When the Mac Pro does come out it will at least start at that as well, if not higher.

lowbloodsugar 9y ago
Which is why the "Pro" iMac completely misses the point. Don't want a built in screen. Do want upgradability. $5k to add what I don't want and package it in a way that prevents what I do want. <Facepalm>
- MaysonL 9y ago
  So wait for the upcoming new Mac Pro sometime next year (probably).
astrodust 9y ago
It's not clear if it'll start at $5K. The iMac Pro is a top-tier offering that goes beyond what the already expensive 27" iMac does, and it comes with a screen built-in. The Mac Pro today starts at $3K, so you'll probably see something at the same mark when it does get launched.
- FireBeyond 9y ago
  Yeah, that's amazingly optimistic, considering the maxed out iMac has a Core i7 processor versus dual(?) Xeons or 18 core Xeon, and 10GbE. Clarity: "The new iMac Pro will start at $4999 and be available in December."
shinratdr 9y ago
What makes you think that? A large part of the cost of the iMac is the screen & design. I would expect an entry level new Mac Pro to cost exactly the same or less than every other Mac Pro, so around 3K.
- 9y ago

paulcole 9y ago

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. It's been years since Apple has made anything that was upgradable/self-serviceable at any price point. To expect that to change now is just unproductive wishful thinking. Either find an alternative or figure out which of Apple's products comes closest to meeting your needs.

asenna 9y ago

I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/ https://www.tonymacx86.com/

tambourine_man 9y ago
Sleep, Bluetooth, Wifi work fine?
dmix 9y ago
My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported. My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version? I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found modern Linux to be very stable while using cutting edge versions of Linux. Largely thanks to Archlinux. But I've been interested in having a seperate OSX install for Photoshop and Sketch to have an OS for doing design and having Linux for programming/everything else.
- cmsimike 9y ago
  During my tenure with a hackintosh at home, I never upgraded the OS as it basically meant a reformat. This was around 10.6-10.8 - I don't know if it has got better. Meaning once I installed a flavor of 10.x.y, I would never upgrade to 10.x.(y+1) until a new x came out, then I'd just reformat.
- nik736 9y ago
  I am upgrading by doing a clean install every big version. I just did my Sierra "upgrade" last week. I am using a Hackintosh for 3 or 4 years now and while it is working I would not recommend it to people who just want something "that works". It gets annoying quite fast and the only thing that kept me using it was the fact that Apple was so bad with updating their product line, which is over now as I will buy the new 5k iMac.

canthonytucci 9y ago

But what I want is an upgradable / self-servicable machine that costs under $3k. I would not hold my breath. If Apple are going to give you something serviceable and upgradable, expect whatever you would have spent servicing and upgrading (at the time of purchase) a "normal" machine through them to be added to the price.

dasil003 9y ago

The two big areas Apple missed the plot before were A) failing to do minimal upkeep on their product lines B) redesigning the Mac Pro without consideration for meeting the needs of its target user base and the heat envelope required. These were colossal and humbling failures for Apple's PC business. The fact that they aren't building commodity-style boxes for hobbyists is very very minor in comparison. The market for these things is shrinking, and it's dominated by price-sensitive people that are not very valuable customers to begin with. If this is what you want, then there's no point in wishful thinking: start looking at Windows / Linux yesterday.

intoverflow2 9y ago

>I hope Apple isn't about to miss the plot again. To me this machine is a sign that they had. It has the exact same problems as the Mac Pro design with even less modularity (Pro could swap out drives and ram). Although I also think this was supposed to replace the Mac Pro line entirely and only in about jan/feb they decided that they still needed a stand alone Pro. So I guess time will tell if they finally release the "xMac" people have been asking for the past 10 years.