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Intel has just priced it's 18-core i9-7900X at 2K.

by sz4kerto 9y ago

masklinn 9y ago
You do realise Xeons are a completely different range with different price points right?
- sz4kerto 9y ago
  Yes, I have Xeons in my WS. The reason why many people ended up buying Xeons for the desktop is core count -- i7 had 6, then 8 cores until recently, so a 10-18 core workstation could only be built with Xeons. The other difference is ECC, which most of the people don't necessarily want (let's not talk about whether they need it or not). If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-end i7 -- I think. Therefore it is fair to compare Xeons with i7s, they're not the same but yes, they have overlapping target audience when it comes to desktops.
  - haikuginger 9y ago
    > If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-end i7 -- I think. Not if they need ECC RAM - and if you've got enough professional stuff to fill 128GB of RAM, you really, really need ECC RAM.
    - baq 9y ago
      Especially if you're routinely moving terabytes between the workstation and NAS.
    - floatboth 9y ago
      Ryzen 7: eight cores, ECC support, unbeatable pricing. (No 128 GB RAM but you're not getting that with a desktop i7 either. Oh and the new HEDT platform that also has "i7"s… not all chips will support quad channel RAM!)
      - haikuginger 9y ago
        In context, I'm not sure I understand your point.
- jjn2009 9y ago
  for all we know at this point the new intel lines are rebranded xeons (plus a few consumer features), the hastily put together response to AMD seems to suggest this.
  - tutanchamun 9y ago
    relevant for people who don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE the funnier version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah84cJwdxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah84cJwdxE http://i.imgur.com/EZ6LyI1.png http://i.imgur.com/EZ6LyI1.png http://i.imgur.com/tbwNbdh.png http://i.imgur.com/tbwNbdh.png EDIT: by mistake I originally linked this video I had in my clipboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scez5dqtAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scez5dqtAc
- astrodust 9y ago
  While this is true, the i9 18-core part is the first they've launched after AMD made their big move with their new 8 and 16 core parts. It's possible that Intel might have to claw back Xeon pricing accordingly to defend their market share.
strictnein 9y ago
Not sure why people are burying you, because that's 100% accurate. 8 core for $600. 10 core for $1k, 18 core for $2k. With 12, 14, and 16 core increments available in-between. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Announced-18-core-Skylake-X-Kaby-Lake-X-and-X299 https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou...
- aldanor 9y ago
  Because it's Xeons which is a different line.
  - redtuesday 9y ago
    No, they are not. All extreme edition CPU's from Intel are cut down Xeons with deactivated features (like ECC support), and the need to buy hardware dongles to make RAID 5 and RAID 10 work. EDIT: read the children posts. I mistakenly read "chip" instead of "line". Of course Xeons are a different line compared to Intels extreme line. The above about the extreme series CPU's being cut down Xeons is still true but in this context wrong and irrelevant.
    - astrodust 9y ago
      So they're the same apart from all the features they don't have. What a deeply insightful observation.
      - redtuesday 9y ago
        They're the same chip, but one of them has ‎artificially deactivated features and is a different line, yes. Misread the line part as chip.
        astrodust 9y ago
        It's a different part and it has different features. Not having ECC memory support is a big deal for some people, so it's misleading to suggest they're basically the same. They bin things for a reason. If you're happy using a less expensive part with fewer features, great, you can save money. If you're making a top-tier "Pro" product you'll want to avoid cutting corners like that.

Intel has just priced it's 18-core i9-7900X at 2K.

masklinn 9y ago

You do realise Xeons are a completely different range with different price points right?

sz4kerto 9y ago
Yes, I have Xeons in my WS. The reason why many people ended up buying Xeons for the desktop is core count -- i7 had 6, then 8 cores until recently, so a 10-18 core workstation could only be built with Xeons. The other difference is ECC, which most of the people don't necessarily want (let's not talk about whether they need it or not). If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-end i7 -- I think. Therefore it is fair to compare Xeons with i7s, they're not the same but yes, they have overlapping target audience when it comes to desktops.
- haikuginger 9y ago
  > If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-end i7 -- I think. Not if they need ECC RAM - and if you've got enough professional stuff to fill 128GB of RAM, you really, really need ECC RAM.
  - baq 9y ago
    Especially if you're routinely moving terabytes between the workstation and NAS.
  - floatboth 9y ago
    Ryzen 7: eight cores, ECC support, unbeatable pricing. (No 128 GB RAM but you're not getting that with a desktop i7 either. Oh and the new HEDT platform that also has "i7"s… not all chips will support quad channel RAM!)
    - haikuginger 9y ago
      In context, I'm not sure I understand your point.
jjn2009 9y ago
for all we know at this point the new intel lines are rebranded xeons (plus a few consumer features), the hastily put together response to AMD seems to suggest this.
- tutanchamun 9y ago
  relevant for people who don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE the funnier version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah84cJwdxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah84cJwdxE http://i.imgur.com/EZ6LyI1.png http://i.imgur.com/EZ6LyI1.png http://i.imgur.com/tbwNbdh.png http://i.imgur.com/tbwNbdh.png EDIT: by mistake I originally linked this video I had in my clipboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scez5dqtAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scez5dqtAc
astrodust 9y ago
While this is true, the i9 18-core part is the first they've launched after AMD made their big move with their new 8 and 16 core parts. It's possible that Intel might have to claw back Xeon pricing accordingly to defend their market share.

strictnein 9y ago

Not sure why people are burying you, because that's 100% accurate. 8 core for $600. 10 core for $1k, 18 core for $2k. With 12, 14, and 16 core increments available in-between. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Announced-18-core-Skylake-X-Kaby-Lake-X-and-X299 https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou...

aldanor 9y ago
Because it's Xeons which is a different line.
- redtuesday 9y ago
  No, they are not. All extreme edition CPU's from Intel are cut down Xeons with deactivated features (like ECC support), and the need to buy hardware dongles to make RAID 5 and RAID 10 work. EDIT: read the children posts. I mistakenly read "chip" instead of "line". Of course Xeons are a different line compared to Intels extreme line. The above about the extreme series CPU's being cut down Xeons is still true but in this context wrong and irrelevant.
  - astrodust 9y ago
    So they're the same apart from all the features they don't have. What a deeply insightful observation.
    - redtuesday 9y ago
      They're the same chip, but one of them has ‎artificially deactivated features and is a different line, yes. Misread the line part as chip.
      - astrodust 9y ago
        It's a different part and it has different features. Not having ECC memory support is a big deal for some people, so it's misleading to suggest they're basically the same. They bin things for a reason. If you're happy using a less expensive part with fewer features, great, you can save money. If you're making a top-tier "Pro" product you'll want to avoid cutting corners like that.