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What a scary time to be alive. We are literally on the tipping point to a feature of Orwellian surveillance.

coldpie 9y ago
And we just elected the most anti-civil-right president in history, who is backed by the anti-civil-rights party controlling all three houses of government. We really fell over hard last November.
- wang_li 9y ago
  This kind of "sky is falling" post just seems histrionic and ill informed. Do you know which president was the first to be pro-gay marriage at the time of his election? Have you ever heard of President Wilson? Are you aware of the recently unearthed record of the NSA's violations of the protections put in place to preserve Americans privacy? Do you know which president prosecuted more leakers than all others combined?
- 75dvtwin 9y ago
  I do not share your view at all. Perhaps having a diverse point from yours, will be labeled a 'hate speech' or some other form of left-propaganda-consistent labeling. I hope not, however. US citizens just elected the best choice of the leader, that will stop blatant misuse of US's foreign intelligence services. That will stop one-sided indoctrination of the kids in public schools. The president, that will protect American IT workers from unfair global competition in their own local market space. And a president, that will finally do what he was promising to do.. I bet it is refreshing for folks that voted for him. I also hope, but this is far fetched, that he will get USA out of supporting UN [0]. While I am very much for a number of goals that UN is meant to achieve, the current organization is a disgrace. So if you think that being monitored and unmasked without reason by CIA or FBI -- is your civil right, then, yes, you are out of luck with Trump. Back to the original topic, I would stand with the defendant in this case. Any data initially collected by a centralized service provider, (when the person of interest was not, yet a suspect), for technical purposes of running a service, cannot be used for marketing, criminal investigation or anything else. [0] https://www.sott.net/article/314600-Operating-like-thugs-Independent-journalist-investigating-UN-corruption-has-press-accreditation-revoked-and-is-banned-from-UN https://www.sott.net/article/314600-Operating-like-thugs-Ind...
  - Cacti 9y ago
    Donald Trump has been a notorious peddler of BS for over _40 years_... why anyone would believe _anything_ that comes out of his mouth about anything is beyond me; he obviously doesn't believe anything he says, why would you? Do you actually have any evidence that he is doing any of this, or are we still at the wishful thinking stage?
- forgottenpass 9y ago
  And we just elected the most anti-civil-right president in history, who is backed by the anti-civil-rights party controlling all three houses of government. As opposed to the other anti-civil-rights party? Or was there a bunch of civil rights progress during the 111th congress when they controlled the legislature and executive, that nobody ever noticed? I don't seem to remember hearing landmark civil rights legislation coming from that congress. Or -- relevent to this surveillance thread -- seeing the PATRIOT Act repealed. Not only did they just not do anything, they reauthorized section 215. Remember that section? One of the powers Snowden revealed to be abused by the security state? And downplayed by Obama as needing reform? But yeah, complain about Trump/Republicans in a thread about surveillance. That's productive.

And we just elected the most anti-civil-right president in history, who is backed by the anti-civil-rights party controlling all three houses of government. We really fell over hard last November.

wang_li 9y ago
This kind of "sky is falling" post just seems histrionic and ill informed. Do you know which president was the first to be pro-gay marriage at the time of his election? Have you ever heard of President Wilson? Are you aware of the recently unearthed record of the NSA's violations of the protections put in place to preserve Americans privacy? Do you know which president prosecuted more leakers than all others combined?
75dvtwin 9y ago
I do not share your view at all. Perhaps having a diverse point from yours, will be labeled a 'hate speech' or some other form of left-propaganda-consistent labeling. I hope not, however. US citizens just elected the best choice of the leader, that will stop blatant misuse of US's foreign intelligence services. That will stop one-sided indoctrination of the kids in public schools. The president, that will protect American IT workers from unfair global competition in their own local market space. And a president, that will finally do what he was promising to do.. I bet it is refreshing for folks that voted for him. I also hope, but this is far fetched, that he will get USA out of supporting UN [0]. While I am very much for a number of goals that UN is meant to achieve, the current organization is a disgrace. So if you think that being monitored and unmasked without reason by CIA or FBI -- is your civil right, then, yes, you are out of luck with Trump. Back to the original topic, I would stand with the defendant in this case. Any data initially collected by a centralized service provider, (when the person of interest was not, yet a suspect), for technical purposes of running a service, cannot be used for marketing, criminal investigation or anything else. [0] https://www.sott.net/article/314600-Operating-like-thugs-Independent-journalist-investigating-UN-corruption-has-press-accreditation-revoked-and-is-banned-from-UN https://www.sott.net/article/314600-Operating-like-thugs-Ind...
- Cacti 9y ago
  Donald Trump has been a notorious peddler of BS for over _40 years_... why anyone would believe _anything_ that comes out of his mouth about anything is beyond me; he obviously doesn't believe anything he says, why would you? Do you actually have any evidence that he is doing any of this, or are we still at the wishful thinking stage?
forgottenpass 9y ago
And we just elected the most anti-civil-right president in history, who is backed by the anti-civil-rights party controlling all three houses of government. As opposed to the other anti-civil-rights party? Or was there a bunch of civil rights progress during the 111th congress when they controlled the legislature and executive, that nobody ever noticed? I don't seem to remember hearing landmark civil rights legislation coming from that congress. Or -- relevent to this surveillance thread -- seeing the PATRIOT Act repealed. Not only did they just not do anything, they reauthorized section 215. Remember that section? One of the powers Snowden revealed to be abused by the security state? And downplayed by Obama as needing reform? But yeah, complain about Trump/Republicans in a thread about surveillance. That's productive.