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I can't understand the paradox that as tuition increased, tenured professor jobs became more scarce and other professor jobs lower paying. I guess fancy facilit

I can't understand the paradox that as tuition increased, tenured professor jobs became more scarce and other professor jobs lower paying. I guess fancy facilities and less gov't subsidy helps explain. It's gotten to the point that you might consider the alternative of starting a higher education co-op to hire associate professors and frustrated, underemployed phds while minimizing tuition by meeting in un-fancy locations or online.

scriptkiddy 9y ago
While a great idea for learning and purely academic purposes, a degree from such a co-op would mean nothing to potential employers. Actually, it would mean nothing to anyone. At least in the U.S., an institution must be accredited for the degree to mean anything at all. That said, I would definitely join such a co-op as I feel the knowledge is more important than the paperwork anyways.
- m-j-fox 9y ago
  Why offer a degree when a BA in English isn't worth the paper it's printed on to employers? This is about knowledge, as you say. An affordable, liberal education, not a pipeline to Goldman Sachs. For those seeking ROI, boot camps are already providing a compelling vocational alternative.
Fomite 9y ago
The increase in tuition (and fees) make up for budget shortfalls everywhere (fancy facilities are actually not all that big of a deal if you crunch the numbers). At the same time, getting rid of tenured positions is a decent means of cutting costs to try to address the same shortfall.
- m-j-fox 9y ago
  Sounds like a death spiral. My father got a PhD in history so he could be a professor. If he couldn't expect that, he would have gone to business school, reducing the demand for history professors and so on until there's none left. You get it.
  - Fomite 9y ago
    At the moment, there is a surplus supply of PhDs. If, at some point, that gets corrected, things may change. Though I should note that PhD students in history aren't major drivers of demand for professors of history - undergraduates are. In the sciences, there's a bit more of an incentive to have lots of graduate students.

scriptkiddy 9y ago

While a great idea for learning and purely academic purposes, a degree from such a co-op would mean nothing to potential employers. Actually, it would mean nothing to anyone. At least in the U.S., an institution must be accredited for the degree to mean anything at all. That said, I would definitely join such a co-op as I feel the knowledge is more important than the paperwork anyways.

m-j-fox 9y ago
Why offer a degree when a BA in English isn't worth the paper it's printed on to employers? This is about knowledge, as you say. An affordable, liberal education, not a pipeline to Goldman Sachs. For those seeking ROI, boot camps are already providing a compelling vocational alternative.

Fomite 9y ago

The increase in tuition (and fees) make up for budget shortfalls everywhere (fancy facilities are actually not all that big of a deal if you crunch the numbers). At the same time, getting rid of tenured positions is a decent means of cutting costs to try to address the same shortfall.

m-j-fox 9y ago
Sounds like a death spiral. My father got a PhD in history so he could be a professor. If he couldn't expect that, he would have gone to business school, reducing the demand for history professors and so on until there's none left. You get it.
- Fomite 9y ago
  At the moment, there is a surplus supply of PhDs. If, at some point, that gets corrected, things may change. Though I should note that PhD students in history aren't major drivers of demand for professors of history - undergraduates are. In the sciences, there's a bit more of an incentive to have lots of graduate students.