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Considering how competitive the acceptance criteria are for Harvard (2,056 out of 39,506 applications), this is just another decision point. Now 10 other peopl

Considering how competitive the acceptance criteria are for Harvard (2,056 out of 39,506 applications), this is just another decision point. Now 10 other people are able to get in, and the entire body of current and prospective students have learned a valuable lesson about privacy and free speech.

spyspy 9y ago
> a valuable lesson about privacy and free speech That there is none?
- bjl 9y ago
  Last I checked they weren't jailed for posting racist shit on FB.
nxsynonym 9y ago
I wholeheartedly agree with this. As a private institution, Harvard can choose to deny acceptance to anyone for any reason. I don't agree with their reasoning, but I agree with their right to decide. Next time don't use Facebook. This is what 4chan is for.
- kudu 9y ago
  That isn't completely accurate. An acceptance to Harvard is usually unconditional, and can only be withdrawn under very specific circumstances (in this case, they're invoking the circumstance relating to an admitted student's honesty/integrity/moral standing). Just wanted to clear up that there is a big difference between denying someone acceptance at the time of application and withdrawing one. (Source: also admitted to Harvard this year)
std_throwaway 9y ago
...that privacy probably doesn't exist and free speech shouldn't be used.
- throwaway91111 9y ago
  No, that there are times, places, and contexts on how to use free speech. If you knowingly and publically associate your name with something offensive, there could be private consequences. Facebook is a public forum that happens to be visible to harvard staff. Students should know this.
  - std_throwaway 9y ago
    ...so we should hide before saying things that could offend someone?
  - xienze 9y ago
    > If you knowingly and publically associate your name with something offensive But the article says it was a private group chat, not public.
    - throwaway91111 9y ago
      Private from other users, not to facebook or the university. I mean, c'mon. Just because something says "private" doesn't mean it is.
      - filoleg 9y ago
        It was private from the university. The only reason Harvard administration found out about the offensive stuff was because some student in that private chat screenshotted and sent it to them.
alunchbox 9y ago
unfortunately for these 10 ex-applicants of Harvard they might not get into any University period for 2017/2018... This isn't a small implication to them for stupid posts online. I'm not 100% sure if I feel that's fair. them not getting into Harvard is one thing but losing education at this point in time is even worse.
- bjl 9y ago
  Some of things they said went beyond just 'stupid posts'.
  - mattnewton 9y ago
    Presumably they were all jests in bad taste though?
    - beisner 9y ago
      Why presume that?
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - alunchbox 9y ago
    Fair enough it was beyond stupid, sugar coating it isn't going to help. But this is more than just losing a place at Harvard. These individual are at a point in their life where they can finally expand their roots, learn and I use this word lightly but "rehabilitate". Due to the massive culture and intense work ethics they will need to gain to succeed at a place like Harvard. Mind you I do agree they need a form of punishment and Harvard is a business they can do whatever they want. But for these 10 individuals what good can this have for them? it's more like a slippery slope from here on in for them, you never know maybe a few of these individuals were just posting due to peer pressure and some might be blowing off steam just never taught there are better ways. There's things we don't know unfortunately and it just ends up being a sad display of events.
- noer 9y ago
cuck33 9y ago
Yet another SJW propaganda war against free speech i can't even grasp. Please read abut socialist culture marxism by ex kgb agent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 >Yet another SJW propaganda war against free speech i can't even No one talking about this, freemarket i don't care, BUT we the people have to fight and post "hate speach" edege memes, about niggers, muh 6 millions, lolcaust, feminist totalitarian stte and other. We won't be silenced, by bunch of jews and SJW: 8ch.net/voat.co/tor proud user

spyspy 9y ago

> a valuable lesson about privacy and free speech That there is none?

bjl 9y ago
Last I checked they weren't jailed for posting racist shit on FB.

nxsynonym 9y ago

I wholeheartedly agree with this. As a private institution, Harvard can choose to deny acceptance to anyone for any reason. I don't agree with their reasoning, but I agree with their right to decide. Next time don't use Facebook. This is what 4chan is for.

kudu 9y ago
That isn't completely accurate. An acceptance to Harvard is usually unconditional, and can only be withdrawn under very specific circumstances (in this case, they're invoking the circumstance relating to an admitted student's honesty/integrity/moral standing). Just wanted to clear up that there is a big difference between denying someone acceptance at the time of application and withdrawing one. (Source: also admitted to Harvard this year)

std_throwaway 9y ago

...that privacy probably doesn't exist and free speech shouldn't be used.

throwaway91111 9y ago
No, that there are times, places, and contexts on how to use free speech. If you knowingly and publically associate your name with something offensive, there could be private consequences. Facebook is a public forum that happens to be visible to harvard staff. Students should know this.
- std_throwaway 9y ago
  ...so we should hide before saying things that could offend someone?
- xienze 9y ago
  > If you knowingly and publically associate your name with something offensive But the article says it was a private group chat, not public.
  - throwaway91111 9y ago
    Private from other users, not to facebook or the university. I mean, c'mon. Just because something says "private" doesn't mean it is.
    - filoleg 9y ago
      It was private from the university. The only reason Harvard administration found out about the offensive stuff was because some student in that private chat screenshotted and sent it to them.

alunchbox 9y ago

unfortunately for these 10 ex-applicants of Harvard they might not get into any University period for 2017/2018... This isn't a small implication to them for stupid posts online. I'm not 100% sure if I feel that's fair. them not getting into Harvard is one thing but losing education at this point in time is even worse.

bjl 9y ago
Some of things they said went beyond just 'stupid posts'.
- mattnewton 9y ago
  Presumably they were all jests in bad taste though?
  - beisner 9y ago
    Why presume that?
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- alunchbox 9y ago
  Fair enough it was beyond stupid, sugar coating it isn't going to help. But this is more than just losing a place at Harvard. These individual are at a point in their life where they can finally expand their roots, learn and I use this word lightly but "rehabilitate". Due to the massive culture and intense work ethics they will need to gain to succeed at a place like Harvard. Mind you I do agree they need a form of punishment and Harvard is a business they can do whatever they want. But for these 10 individuals what good can this have for them? it's more like a slippery slope from here on in for them, you never know maybe a few of these individuals were just posting due to peer pressure and some might be blowing off steam just never taught there are better ways. There's things we don't know unfortunately and it just ends up being a sad display of events.
noer 9y ago

cuck33 9y ago

Yet another SJW propaganda war against free speech i can't even grasp. Please read abut socialist culture marxism by ex kgb agent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 >Yet another SJW propaganda war against free speech i can't even No one talking about this, freemarket i don't care, BUT we the people have to fight and post "hate speach" edege memes, about niggers, muh 6 millions, lolcaust, feminist totalitarian stte and other. We won't be silenced, by bunch of jews and SJW: 8ch.net/voat.co/tor proud user