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If you really think the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods then I'd say youre less casual of an observer than yo

If you really think the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods then I'd say youre less casual of an observer than youre claiming.

doktrin 9y ago
> If you really think the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods First of all, you mis-read my comment. At no point did I claim the political right had a monopoly on disseminating misinformation. Secondly, even though this (and just about everything else) can be spun as a case of "both sides do it / both sides are bad / all sides are bad / etc", there is an obvious difference of scale & magnitude - and scale matters. In modern political American discourse it's clear who more consistently disseminates misinformation, and - as this piece indicates - who is more effective at doing so.
- rtx 9y ago
  Scale matters for results not morality.
  - jpfed 9y ago
    Cool- I suppose dropping a 1 kg object on someone's head is morally equivalent to dropping a 1000 kg object on someone's head. It's really only a matter of scale.
    - deleted 9y ago
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  - bjl 9y ago
    That's obviously nonsense. Killing 1M people is worse than killing 1.
    - rtx 9y ago
      Why? Do you mean environmentally, economically, statistically or morally?
  - tmaly 9y ago
    If you tell a big enough lie often enough, people start to believe it.
kartan 9y ago
Maybe you didn't do it on purpose, but yours is a "Straw man argument": "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"." The original comment never claimed that "the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods". As far as I understand, it claims that it is the right-wing that has embraced it to a wider extent. And that is something that we have seen in late elections and referendums.
- whitemale 9y ago
  Maybe you didn't do it on purpose, but what you are doing is called nitpicking. > nouninformal > fussy or pedantic fault-finding. > "nitpicking over tiny details" > As far as I understand, it claims that it is the right-wing that has embraced it to a wider extent. And that is something that we have seen in late elections and referendums. The original paragraph: "Is the solution - as the OP implies - for the left / center left to adopt the same dirty tactics as their counterparts? Is there any alternative?" Clearly implies that according to the op, the left have yet to adopt the "dirty tactics".

If you really think the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods then I'd say youre less casual of an observer than youre claiming.

doktrin 9y ago

> If you really think the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods First of all, you mis-read my comment. At no point did I claim the political right had a monopoly on disseminating misinformation. Secondly, even though this (and just about everything else) can be spun as a case of "both sides do it / both sides are bad / all sides are bad / etc", there is an obvious difference of scale & magnitude - and scale matters. In modern political American discourse it's clear who more consistently disseminates misinformation, and - as this piece indicates - who is more effective at doing so.

rtx 9y ago
Scale matters for results not morality.
- jpfed 9y ago
  Cool- I suppose dropping a 1 kg object on someone's head is morally equivalent to dropping a 1000 kg object on someone's head. It's really only a matter of scale.
  - deleted 9y ago
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- bjl 9y ago
  That's obviously nonsense. Killing 1M people is worse than killing 1.
  - rtx 9y ago
    Why? Do you mean environmentally, economically, statistically or morally?
- tmaly 9y ago
  If you tell a big enough lie often enough, people start to believe it.

kartan 9y ago

Maybe you didn't do it on purpose, but yours is a "Straw man argument": "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"." The original comment never claimed that "the right-wing republican community is the only group spreading distortions/falsehoods". As far as I understand, it claims that it is the right-wing that has embraced it to a wider extent. And that is something that we have seen in late elections and referendums.

whitemale 9y ago
Maybe you didn't do it on purpose, but what you are doing is called nitpicking. > nouninformal > fussy or pedantic fault-finding. > "nitpicking over tiny details" > As far as I understand, it claims that it is the right-wing that has embraced it to a wider extent. And that is something that we have seen in late elections and referendums. The original paragraph: "Is the solution - as the OP implies - for the left / center left to adopt the same dirty tactics as their counterparts? Is there any alternative?" Clearly implies that according to the op, the left have yet to adopt the "dirty tactics".