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Thank you for pointing this out. It's a key point to make that it's kind of a complex issue. It's obvious to me that cryptography shouldn't and realistically c

Thank you for pointing this out. It's a key point to make that it's kind of a complex issue. It's obvious to me that cryptography shouldn't and realistically cannot be outlawed. That doesn't make any sense. On the flip side, I think that most people would accept that targeted surveillance of criminal suspects is a reasonable tool. The thing is, if it becomes the default for all messages to be encrypted end-to-end – obviously a good thing – then this effective tool becomes useless. I think any proposals to restrict cryptographic software are obviously wrong and doomed to failure, and I will continue using such software regardless of what laws are passed in the UK. But it is a complex issue, and I wish there was some more acknowledgement of how the field of surveillance has changed.

sbov 9y ago
Is it complex? Even with crypto authorities have more ability to surveil us than any other time in human history. Crypto seems like a very small loss when looking at the way things have trended the last 10 years, much less 100.
ianopolous 9y ago
Even with end to end encryption they can still hack any current OS. We're a long way from having provably secure operating systems for current devices.
- subway 9y ago
  provably secure? I'd almost settle for theoretically secure these days.
confounded 9y ago
The Manchester attacker was reported many times as an extremist, and had the ISIS flag on his car. To suggest that he would have been caught if only the Food Standards Authority has constant read-access to your drunk teenage loveletters is ridiculous. We need more actual police officers to do more actual police work.
- vixen99 9y ago
  Isn't it more a question of what instructions those existing police officers are given? Currently their activities always come a bit late for the innocent dead and injured. A positive check about someone hiring a van is not prima facie evidence of intent to mow down pedestrians.
  - confounded 9y ago
    Comparing - Running investigations, police officers being known and trusted "faces" in their community, and surveilling people in meatspace To - Running grep on every TCP packet of 65 million people, then asking a relatively small number of LEOs to "do something" when analysts see something that could be suspicious The former seems more likely (to me) to succeed.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Yes, but that would require rolling back some of those cuts. Another thing that would really help is if police officers would make a half decent salary. That would also cut back significantly on corruption.

sbov 9y ago

Is it complex? Even with crypto authorities have more ability to surveil us than any other time in human history. Crypto seems like a very small loss when looking at the way things have trended the last 10 years, much less 100.

ianopolous 9y ago

Even with end to end encryption they can still hack any current OS. We're a long way from having provably secure operating systems for current devices.

subway 9y ago
provably secure? I'd almost settle for theoretically secure these days.

confounded 9y ago

The Manchester attacker was reported many times as an extremist, and had the ISIS flag on his car. To suggest that he would have been caught if only the Food Standards Authority has constant read-access to your drunk teenage loveletters is ridiculous. We need more actual police officers to do more actual police work.

vixen99 9y ago
Isn't it more a question of what instructions those existing police officers are given? Currently their activities always come a bit late for the innocent dead and injured. A positive check about someone hiring a van is not prima facie evidence of intent to mow down pedestrians.
- confounded 9y ago
  Comparing - Running investigations, police officers being known and trusted "faces" in their community, and surveilling people in meatspace To - Running grep on every TCP packet of 65 million people, then asking a relatively small number of LEOs to "do something" when analysts see something that could be suspicious The former seems more likely (to me) to succeed.
jacquesm 9y ago
Yes, but that would require rolling back some of those cuts. Another thing that would really help is if police officers would make a half decent salary. That would also cut back significantly on corruption.