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> Exactly, there's no logic behind that. No point of attacking Finland And yet, Russia has in the past done just that. The Finns don't maintain their extremely

> Exactly, there's no logic behind that. No point of attacking Finland And yet, Russia has in the past done just that. The Finns don't maintain their extremely vigilant conscripted military for shits and giggles. More generally, your hyper-active argumentation all over this thread is just weird : all countries develop military contingency plans, and everyone within artillery range of Russia's border is legitimately concerned about the threat of Russian military action. Plain and simple.

aquadrop 9y ago
> And yet, Russia has in the past done just that. The Fins don't maintain their extremely vigilant conscripted military for shits and giggles. And in the past Sweden attacked Russia. We're talking about current situation. In 1930s whole world was preparing for a big war (even regular people 1935 were discussing and guessing when the war will erupt) and it has nothing to do with modern situation. > More generally, your hyper-active argumentation all over this thread is just weird I'm just trying to hold civil discussion, what's the problem here? > all countries develop military contingency plans, and everyone within artillery range of Russia's border is legitimately concerned about the threat of Russian military action. Plain and simple. That's the point of discussion - only Sweden has become lately very worried about being attacked by Russia. And my point is there's no any possibility of such attack, and protecting from this is just waste of resources. Also, Sweden is out of artillery range from Russian border.
- doktrin 9y ago
  > only Sweden Patently false. Literally every country along or near Russia's border is concerned about Russia. > Sweden has become lately very worried about being attacked by Russia. And my point is there's no any possibility of such attack Sweden is neutral with a capital N, and yet they just reinstated conscription resulting from years of aggressive Russian military exercises along their borders and airspace[1][2], threats against neighboring countries[3] not to mention overt and well publicized Russian military action against sovereign nation along its border. Frankly, your bias is palpable and I doubt this discussion will lead anywhere constructive. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/world/europe/sweden-draft-conscription.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/world/europe/sweden-draft... [2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/12139943/Russia-simulated-a-nuclear-strike-against-Sweden-Nato-admits.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1213... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/646064c8-d07a-11e4-a840-00144feab7de https://www.ft.com/content/646064c8-d07a-11e4-a840-00144feab...
- eveningcoffee 9y ago
  >I'm just trying to hold civil discussion, what's the problem here? I think that the main problem is that you are trying to spread your own learned delusion by ridiculing a sovereign country decisions to have an army that can keep reasonable deterrence against its potential aggressors (you know, if it works against Russia over the sea, it might work against US over the ocean).
- geezerjay 9y ago
  > and it has nothing to do with modern situation. You clearly detached yourself from reality. I suggest you discover why Russia is compelling Swedento join NATO, and what was Russia's subsequent reaction to Sweden's move towards NATO membership, which even includes yet again the threat of launching a preemptive attack against Sweden. http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-vows-eliminate-nato-threat-sweden-joins-619486 http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-vows-eliminate-nato-t...

aquadrop 9y ago

> And yet, Russia has in the past done just that. The Fins don't maintain their extremely vigilant conscripted military for shits and giggles. And in the past Sweden attacked Russia. We're talking about current situation. In 1930s whole world was preparing for a big war (even regular people 1935 were discussing and guessing when the war will erupt) and it has nothing to do with modern situation. > More generally, your hyper-active argumentation all over this thread is just weird I'm just trying to hold civil discussion, what's the problem here? > all countries develop military contingency plans, and everyone within artillery range of Russia's border is legitimately concerned about the threat of Russian military action. Plain and simple. That's the point of discussion - only Sweden has become lately very worried about being attacked by Russia. And my point is there's no any possibility of such attack, and protecting from this is just waste of resources. Also, Sweden is out of artillery range from Russian border.

doktrin 9y ago
> only Sweden Patently false. Literally every country along or near Russia's border is concerned about Russia. > Sweden has become lately very worried about being attacked by Russia. And my point is there's no any possibility of such attack Sweden is neutral with a capital N, and yet they just reinstated conscription resulting from years of aggressive Russian military exercises along their borders and airspace[1][2], threats against neighboring countries[3] not to mention overt and well publicized Russian military action against sovereign nation along its border. Frankly, your bias is palpable and I doubt this discussion will lead anywhere constructive. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/world/europe/sweden-draft-conscription.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/world/europe/sweden-draft... [2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/12139943/Russia-simulated-a-nuclear-strike-against-Sweden-Nato-admits.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1213... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/646064c8-d07a-11e4-a840-00144feab7de https://www.ft.com/content/646064c8-d07a-11e4-a840-00144feab...
eveningcoffee 9y ago
>I'm just trying to hold civil discussion, what's the problem here? I think that the main problem is that you are trying to spread your own learned delusion by ridiculing a sovereign country decisions to have an army that can keep reasonable deterrence against its potential aggressors (you know, if it works against Russia over the sea, it might work against US over the ocean).
geezerjay 9y ago
> and it has nothing to do with modern situation. You clearly detached yourself from reality. I suggest you discover why Russia is compelling Swedento join NATO, and what was Russia's subsequent reaction to Sweden's move towards NATO membership, which even includes yet again the threat of launching a preemptive attack against Sweden. http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-vows-eliminate-nato-threat-sweden-joins-619486 http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-vows-eliminate-nato-t...