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> That is what exactly? Vertical split panes was the biggest reason, but for myself, the end comes down to a config file I can actually read and unlike screen,

> That is what exactly? Vertical split panes was the biggest reason, but for myself, the end comes down to a config file I can actually read and unlike screen, tends to not have things like this in the man page: > Attach here and now. Whatever that means, just do it.

dlgeek 9y ago
Screen has supported vertical split panes for a long time now.
- mitchty 9y ago
  Only for 4 ish years after the 4.0 release IIRC ~2013. Before that there was a patch floating around to do it: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26685/how-to-split-window-vertically-in-gnu-screen https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26685/how-to-split-... Thats the main reason myself and a number of people I know ditched screen around that time. But I'd hardly call 4 years a long time.
  - awirth 9y ago
    For those confused, the linked patch page[1] has says that the patch got integrated into Debian (and Ubuntu) from 4.0.3-10, which means it would have been available since Lenny (2009). [1]: http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/ http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/
zeptomu 9y ago
> Vertical split panes was the biggest reason, [...] Besides the fact, that screen can also do that, I think this should be implemented at the Window Management Layer anyway - tiling WMs do that. This is actually the main reason, why I do not use tmux or screen at the moment. I used to work with screen, because I liked the terminal splitting, but since using a tiling WM, I get that for free. However I have to admit, that I sometimes miss session management.
- mitchty 9y ago
  > Besides the fact, that screen can also do that, I think this should be implemented at the Window Management Layer anyway - tiling WMs do that. Genuine question, why? I run my terminal in one giant full screen window, or emacs. Emacs splits itself fine, I just switch to a different screen with my terminal and tmux and i'm good. No need for the window manager to be involved.
  - zeptomu 9y ago
    I think it's just a prettier architecture - obviously both ways work, but if the WM has good splitting, applications don't have to bother with windows and layout implementations. Furthermore I like to switch between "windows" (rectangles in a tiling - e.g. vertical/horizontal splits - context) or in general rearranging the layout using input controls on the WM layer, so that it works the same across all applications and not just in a terminal emulator context. In the end it's personal choice, however it has some benefits, as the same workflow works across applications. Obviously this requires a WM itself and does not work in a Linux console context (which is supported by tmux and screen), but I mostly run X11 with a WM anyway.
  - adambyrtek 9y ago
    Because the window manager gives your the same consistent experience for non-terminal windows as well, and I'm pretty sure you use at least a web browser. Of course it's all a matter of taste (and habit).
- u801e 9y ago
  > I used to work with screen, because I liked the terminal splitting, but since using a tiling WM, I get that for free. What about copying text from one split to another (at least without having to use the mouse)?

dlgeek 9y ago

Screen has supported vertical split panes for a long time now.

mitchty 9y ago
Only for 4 ish years after the 4.0 release IIRC ~2013. Before that there was a patch floating around to do it: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26685/how-to-split-window-vertically-in-gnu-screen https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/26685/how-to-split-... Thats the main reason myself and a number of people I know ditched screen around that time. But I'd hardly call 4 years a long time.
- awirth 9y ago
  For those confused, the linked patch page[1] has says that the patch got integrated into Debian (and Ubuntu) from 4.0.3-10, which means it would have been available since Lenny (2009). [1]: http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/ http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/

zeptomu 9y ago

> Vertical split panes was the biggest reason, [...] Besides the fact, that screen can also do that, I think this should be implemented at the Window Management Layer anyway - tiling WMs do that. This is actually the main reason, why I do not use tmux or screen at the moment. I used to work with screen, because I liked the terminal splitting, but since using a tiling WM, I get that for free. However I have to admit, that I sometimes miss session management.

mitchty 9y ago
> Besides the fact, that screen can also do that, I think this should be implemented at the Window Management Layer anyway - tiling WMs do that. Genuine question, why? I run my terminal in one giant full screen window, or emacs. Emacs splits itself fine, I just switch to a different screen with my terminal and tmux and i'm good. No need for the window manager to be involved.
- zeptomu 9y ago
  I think it's just a prettier architecture - obviously both ways work, but if the WM has good splitting, applications don't have to bother with windows and layout implementations. Furthermore I like to switch between "windows" (rectangles in a tiling - e.g. vertical/horizontal splits - context) or in general rearranging the layout using input controls on the WM layer, so that it works the same across all applications and not just in a terminal emulator context. In the end it's personal choice, however it has some benefits, as the same workflow works across applications. Obviously this requires a WM itself and does not work in a Linux console context (which is supported by tmux and screen), but I mostly run X11 with a WM anyway.
- adambyrtek 9y ago
  Because the window manager gives your the same consistent experience for non-terminal windows as well, and I'm pretty sure you use at least a web browser. Of course it's all a matter of taste (and habit).
u801e 9y ago
> I used to work with screen, because I liked the terminal splitting, but since using a tiling WM, I get that for free. What about copying text from one split to another (at least without having to use the mouse)?