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Being Muslim is not a necessary pre-condition. A lot of Europeans and north-American joining ISIS are not of Muslim background. Trying to understand what leads

Being Muslim is not a necessary pre-condition. A lot of Europeans and north-American joining ISIS are not of Muslim background. Trying to understand what leads human beings to kill and die for fuzzy causes might help. I suspect a perfect storm of mental issues, undesirable social status and support from the wrong people at the right time. I also suspect we don't want all the answers, because we wouldn't want to expose how we convince our own young military not to walk out when sent to unjustified wars.

reitanqild 9y ago
Being Muslim is not a necessary pre-condition. A lot of Europeans and north-American joining ISIS are not of Muslim background. Do we have proofs that any of the violent ones had not converted at the time when they attacked?
- dorfsmay 9y ago
  They convert as they join, but a lot of them did not grow up as Muslim. Being Muslim (as per ISIS definition of what muslim means) is part of the ISIS rhetoric, and people convert to be part of ISIS. OP says that only people part of "a subset of people" can be part of ISIS and propagate terror. implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists.
freedomintruth 9y ago
>>Being Muslim is not a necessary pre-condition Since these attacks are aligned with ISIS and ISIS exists within the framework of Islam, then Islam is a pre-condition for these attacks. So even if the attackers may not have been Muslim previously in their life, Islamic fundamentalism remains a constant factor in all these attacks. At the end of the day, whether these people are sane/insane/confused/rich/poor, it's all done within the context and framework of Islamic fundamentalism. And the model for these attacks is in the Middle East where suicide bombing has been a feature of life there in the past 20 years. In case you think it's only poor and mentally ill, consider the attackers in the Dkaka, Indonesia cafe. These guys were educated in university and came from well-off families.
type0 9y ago
> A lot of Europeans and north-American joining ISIS are not of Muslim background. That's chocking news to me, I though you had to be a muslim to join them.
- dorfsmay 9y ago
  They convert as they join, but a lot of them did not grow up as Muslim. Being Muslim (as per ISIS definition of what muslim means) is part of the ISIS rhetoric, and people convert to be part of ISIS. OP says that only people part of "a subset of people" can be part of ISIS and propagate terror. implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists.
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists. OP here. I did not say that.
    - dorfsmay 9y ago
      OK. So what "subset of people" then?
      - reitanqild 9y ago
        >>>implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists. >>OP here. I did not say that. >OK. So what "subset of people" then? Two corrections: You talk like I mean general terrorists. I'm talking only about the types of attacks we are talking about in this thread (attacks primarily target against civilians by attackers that do not expect or even attempt to get away alive). It is written above: "everyone of these criminals belong to a very specific subset of people." (emphasis added). >So what "subset of people" then? Only the subset that are or are about to become muslims. Again, until someone enlightens me I have yet to be aware of any of this kind of attacks by neither Christians nor Atheists.
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reitanqild 9y ago

Being Muslim is not a necessary pre-condition. A lot of Europeans and north-American joining ISIS are not of Muslim background. Do we have proofs that any of the violent ones had not converted at the time when they attacked?

dorfsmay 9y ago
They convert as they join, but a lot of them did not grow up as Muslim. Being Muslim (as per ISIS definition of what muslim means) is part of the ISIS rhetoric, and people convert to be part of ISIS. OP says that only people part of "a subset of people" can be part of ISIS and propagate terror. implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists.

freedomintruth 9y ago

>>Being Muslim is not a necessary pre-condition Since these attacks are aligned with ISIS and ISIS exists within the framework of Islam, then Islam is a pre-condition for these attacks. So even if the attackers may not have been Muslim previously in their life, Islamic fundamentalism remains a constant factor in all these attacks. At the end of the day, whether these people are sane/insane/confused/rich/poor, it's all done within the context and framework of Islamic fundamentalism. And the model for these attacks is in the Middle East where suicide bombing has been a feature of life there in the past 20 years. In case you think it's only poor and mentally ill, consider the attackers in the Dkaka, Indonesia cafe. These guys were educated in university and came from well-off families.

type0 9y ago

> A lot of Europeans and north-American joining ISIS are not of Muslim background. That's chocking news to me, I though you had to be a muslim to join them.

dorfsmay 9y ago
They convert as they join, but a lot of them did not grow up as Muslim. Being Muslim (as per ISIS definition of what muslim means) is part of the ISIS rhetoric, and people convert to be part of ISIS. OP says that only people part of "a subset of people" can be part of ISIS and propagate terror. implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists.
- reitanqild 9y ago
  implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists. OP here. I did not say that.
  - dorfsmay 9y ago
    OK. So what "subset of people" then?
    - reitanqild 9y ago
      >>>implying that only people who grew up as muslim can become terrorists. >>OP here. I did not say that. >OK. So what "subset of people" then? Two corrections: You talk like I mean general terrorists. I'm talking only about the types of attacks we are talking about in this thread (attacks primarily target against civilians by attackers that do not expect or even attempt to get away alive). It is written above: "everyone of these criminals belong to a very specific subset of people." (emphasis added). >So what "subset of people" then? Only the subset that are or are about to become muslims. Again, until someone enlightens me I have yet to be aware of any of this kind of attacks by neither Christians nor Atheists.
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