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Yeah, there's no way I'm going to defend the TSA's methodologies. They a pain to deal with. The good thing I'll say is that somewhere around 57 million people

Yeah, there's no way I'm going to defend the TSA's methodologies. They a pain to deal with. The good thing I'll say is that somewhere around 57 million people visited the US last year. 99.9%+ had no trouble other than long lines and the general frustration that comes with long distance travel. So your fears, while completely understandable, are also very, very unlikely to cause any actual trouble.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
Ok, thanks for the numbers. That feels much better than what I was lead to believe happens at the borders all the time.
- naasking 9y ago
  0.01% of 57 million people still means 5,700 people were harassed, largely unnecessarily.
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an27 9y ago
That doesn't really do it for me. Isn't the level of government mistrust and "dissent in speach" you regularly encounter on HN, extremely high on HN compared to the average US visitor? Like, at levels only seen in 1 out of every 100,000 visitors, making it quite likely you'll be one of the 0.1-% percent if you hold these extreme viewpoints?
- Baeocystin 9y ago
  The sort of stuff you see here wouldn't even wiggle the needle.
throwaway47861 9y ago
Those 0.1% mean absolutely nothing. There was a comment months ago right here in HN about a guy who owned a secure email provider who had his throwaway Android device confiscated, and who was interrogated for 8 hours on the topic of "give us access to your private email admin panel". He refused and was smart enough to not bring any way of unlocking his admin access with him (whitelisted IPs and/or physical keys which he left at home). He described the interrogators as very angry and that they "advised" him to immediately go back. We get it, people who comment on sweet puppy Instagram posts aren't under threat. Sure. But the IT folk, especially people having access to sensitive information or white/black hats can definitely expect a plethora of insolent questions at the airport, asked in small creepy rooms somewhere at the back, from people who refuse to even identify themselves. Is that even legal? Shall we also mention the looming danger of own laptops being banned on flights? Either use a Chromebook-like device (which, I have no doubt, will steal your private data, why else would they setup such a honeypot anyway) or GTFO, that's USA's policy. I've made up my mind. I am not going to the USA for now. There's undoubtedly a huge pool of interesting people who can make some of my business dreams come true there but I am not sure being recorded in an unofficial "special target" list for life and having my devices every time I go confiscated is worth it. I'd say no. (I exaggerate a bit of course, but to the average guy like myself losing even a $250 throwaway device is something that I will feel.)
- smsm42 9y ago
  > who owned a secure email provider So he probably was on some kind of a radar. Are you? Then you concern is completely warranted. Are not? Then it's not.
  - throwaway47861 9y ago
    It's a slippery slope kind of situation. Once they start doing it and see they can get away with it, then they start widening the circle.
    - smsm42 9y ago
      I'm not advocating or defending them. Of course they should be called out on any case of abuse, and aggressively. With that, you also need to rationally evaluate if your personal probability is high enough to worry about it (especially to the point of not visiting a country just because of that), and for most people it just isn't.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

Ok, thanks for the numbers. That feels much better than what I was lead to believe happens at the borders all the time.

naasking 9y ago
0.01% of 57 million people still means 5,700 people were harassed, largely unnecessarily.
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an27 9y ago

That doesn't really do it for me. Isn't the level of government mistrust and "dissent in speach" you regularly encounter on HN, extremely high on HN compared to the average US visitor? Like, at levels only seen in 1 out of every 100,000 visitors, making it quite likely you'll be one of the 0.1-% percent if you hold these extreme viewpoints?

Baeocystin 9y ago
The sort of stuff you see here wouldn't even wiggle the needle.

throwaway47861 9y ago

Those 0.1% mean absolutely nothing. There was a comment months ago right here in HN about a guy who owned a secure email provider who had his throwaway Android device confiscated, and who was interrogated for 8 hours on the topic of "give us access to your private email admin panel". He refused and was smart enough to not bring any way of unlocking his admin access with him (whitelisted IPs and/or physical keys which he left at home). He described the interrogators as very angry and that they "advised" him to immediately go back. We get it, people who comment on sweet puppy Instagram posts aren't under threat. Sure. But the IT folk, especially people having access to sensitive information or white/black hats can definitely expect a plethora of insolent questions at the airport, asked in small creepy rooms somewhere at the back, from people who refuse to even identify themselves. Is that even legal? Shall we also mention the looming danger of own laptops being banned on flights? Either use a Chromebook-like device (which, I have no doubt, will steal your private data, why else would they setup such a honeypot anyway) or GTFO, that's USA's policy. I've made up my mind. I am not going to the USA for now. There's undoubtedly a huge pool of interesting people who can make some of my business dreams come true there but I am not sure being recorded in an unofficial "special target" list for life and having my devices every time I go confiscated is worth it. I'd say no. (I exaggerate a bit of course, but to the average guy like myself losing even a $250 throwaway device is something that I will feel.)

smsm42 9y ago
> who owned a secure email provider So he probably was on some kind of a radar. Are you? Then you concern is completely warranted. Are not? Then it's not.
- throwaway47861 9y ago
  It's a slippery slope kind of situation. Once they start doing it and see they can get away with it, then they start widening the circle.
  - smsm42 9y ago
    I'm not advocating or defending them. Of course they should be called out on any case of abuse, and aggressively. With that, you also need to rationally evaluate if your personal probability is high enough to worry about it (especially to the point of not visiting a country just because of that), and for most people it just isn't.