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How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses? How many from alcohol involved traffic accidents? More than this. Why is terror more terrible

How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses? How many from alcohol involved traffic accidents? More than this. Why is terror more terrible than unexpected death by other means?

tempodox 9y ago
Put simply, it's much easier to argue that you must sacrifice all liberty for protection against terror than against drunk driving. Terror serves your oppressor's needs better than anything else.
- freedomintruth 9y ago
  If you want to know why political and religious violence is worse than drug overdose and why we have to resist it, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. Although we can say it was Bush then Obama who destabilized the country by removing the tyrants, in the tyrants' absence, religion-influenced political struggles (ie. Sunni vs Shiite, Islam vs Kurd) blew the countries apart, and continues to blow the countries apart. So drug addictions can be bad, but religously-motivated wars are worse because they will destroy everyone. Even stable countries like Saudi Arabia is not immune, and people are worried that the more radical elements there will take power if the country loses its wealth, wealth which is used to pacify the population.
freedomintruth 9y ago
Do you think these terrorists were just going to stop at killing a few people? "Gee, I think I will kill 10 people then go home." Seriously? My guess is they would keep on killing as many as they could, just as they tried to enter the stadiums and concerts to do maximum damage, just as they locked in the Bataclan to kill as many as they could, etc, etc. In which of these events did they kill a few people then went home?
reitanqild 9y ago
A whole lot has already been done to reduce deaths resulting from drunk driving etc. That said I think Theresa Mays suggestion is dangerous and inefficient.
DanBC 9y ago
> How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses? Hardly any. You really can't extrapolate from the bizarre US drugs situation to any other country. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsrelatedtodrugpoisoninginenglandandwales/2015registrations#deaths-involving-substances-that-are-commonly-abused https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... about 110 people per year from "other specified opioid", about 190 per year from "other unspecified opioid", making 300 / 50 = 6 per week. Huge numbers of Americans take opioids. Opioid use in the US is far far higher than the UK.
exodust 9y ago
> Why is terror more terrible than unexpected death by other means? You haven't given this much thought have you. Describing mass murder as an "unexpected death" is not smart. First of all, your overdose and traffic deaths are *accidents", there was no intent to murder involved. This means we work to minimise the likelihood of such deaths via preventative measures from education, health and legal through to building safer roads and vehicles. Mass murder on the other hand is no accident and is less manageable. Murder affects the community more due to the nature of the crime. The callous intent leading up to the crime, the actual violence and consequences after. When people ask "how can we prevent this", and the answers don't come as easily as preventing drunk driving, then obviously the problem is worse. Combined with brainwashed religious extremist ideology, you have yourself a more terrible problem than what road safety measures can ever hope to deal with.

How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses? How many from alcohol involved traffic accidents? More than this. Why is terror more terrible than unexpected death by other means?

tempodox 9y ago

Put simply, it's much easier to argue that you must sacrifice all liberty for protection against terror than against drunk driving. Terror serves your oppressor's needs better than anything else.

freedomintruth 9y ago
If you want to know why political and religious violence is worse than drug overdose and why we have to resist it, look at Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. Although we can say it was Bush then Obama who destabilized the country by removing the tyrants, in the tyrants' absence, religion-influenced political struggles (ie. Sunni vs Shiite, Islam vs Kurd) blew the countries apart, and continues to blow the countries apart. So drug addictions can be bad, but religously-motivated wars are worse because they will destroy everyone. Even stable countries like Saudi Arabia is not immune, and people are worried that the more radical elements there will take power if the country loses its wealth, wealth which is used to pacify the population.

freedomintruth 9y ago

Do you think these terrorists were just going to stop at killing a few people? "Gee, I think I will kill 10 people then go home." Seriously? My guess is they would keep on killing as many as they could, just as they tried to enter the stadiums and concerts to do maximum damage, just as they locked in the Bataclan to kill as many as they could, etc, etc. In which of these events did they kill a few people then went home?

reitanqild 9y ago

A whole lot has already been done to reduce deaths resulting from drunk driving etc. That said I think Theresa Mays suggestion is dangerous and inefficient.

DanBC 9y ago

> How many people died last week in the UK from fentanyl overdoses? Hardly any. You really can't extrapolate from the bizarre US drugs situation to any other country. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsrelatedtodrugpoisoninginenglandandwales/2015registrations#deaths-involving-substances-that-are-commonly-abused https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... about 110 people per year from "other specified opioid", about 190 per year from "other unspecified opioid", making 300 / 50 = 6 per week. Huge numbers of Americans take opioids. Opioid use in the US is far far higher than the UK.

exodust 9y ago

> Why is terror more terrible than unexpected death by other means? You haven't given this much thought have you. Describing mass murder as an "unexpected death" is not smart. First of all, your overdose and traffic deaths are *accidents", there was no intent to murder involved. This means we work to minimise the likelihood of such deaths via preventative measures from education, health and legal through to building safer roads and vehicles. Mass murder on the other hand is no accident and is less manageable. Murder affects the community more due to the nature of the crime. The callous intent leading up to the crime, the actual violence and consequences after. When people ask "how can we prevent this", and the answers don't come as easily as preventing drunk driving, then obviously the problem is worse. Combined with brainwashed religious extremist ideology, you have yourself a more terrible problem than what road safety measures can ever hope to deal with.