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TFA isn't about honey badgers or their intelligence, but about the arrogant stance of the common homo sapiens on other species. End of the day, humans aren't a

TFA isn't about honey badgers or their intelligence, but about the arrogant stance of the common homo sapiens on other species. End of the day, humans aren't anything special. They're just another part of nature.

noir_lord 9y ago
When it comes to intelligence humans are special, its silly to say we aren't. By definition been the single most intelligent species on the planet makes us special. We get excited when other species display intelligence at a level we'd expect to see in a toddler because its fascinating to us, hell the fact that we systematically study other species itself puts us in another category.
- a2decrow 9y ago
  Think about how dumb the average human is and then realize half of them are dumber than that. Humans have become the dominant species for two reasons: 1. Our ability to reason 2. Our technological superiority Many animals can rival or exceed the intelligence of the average human, but due to the fact that they're seen as "just animals" and that they can't communicate with us in a matter we understand (nor care about doing it) makes humans think they are superior in every way. Then, whenever scientific progression proves that animals aren't as dumb as they look, humans have to come up with new arguments to separate themselves from other species. It's the typical arrogant and limited view of the common homo sapiens. Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. -- Arthur Schopenhauer
  - noir_lord 9y ago
    > Many animals can rival or exceed the intelligence of the average human. That is an absurd assertion, the 'average' human being can use language at a level far beyond what any other species that demonstrates language can, complex tools, create even more complex tools from those already complex tools, write down the things they have learnt and gain knowledge from the things other humans have learnt and written down, create sophisticated predictive models of the world and test them refining the models as they go. Do animals have intelligence, absolutely, is it in the same realm as the average human, not even close. The difference in vast, there were other species with intelligence comparable to our own, they went extinct (and it's arguable that we are the reason why) I refer of course to the other species in the Genus Homo, the neanderthal's and others. We had competition from other species and we eliminated it not intentionally we just out-competed them (and interbred with them but since we where more numerous the end result was the same though their genes are still present).
    - a2decrow 9y ago
      What you are describing is called education and technological superiority. Take one of those away and see what happens. And whether the extinction of neanderthals and other species close to ours is due to intelligence or other influences can't be reliably proven. It's just the way nature evolved and it could have gone any other way as well.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
        > education Tempting, but no; we've tried raising primates like human children, and teaching them sign language. Childrearing went fine until age... 3 or 5, I forget, and then they hit a wall and stopped getting smarter. ASL went alright but still falls short of human levels.
        a2decrow 9y ago
        Trying to teach them human inventions that are developed by and for humans and then calling them inferior when they don't succeed in using them to the fullest extent is pretty short-sighted. You can't teach every human every invention we ever made either. Some people suck at math, others excel at it. Are the people that suck at it now intellectually inferior to those that excel at math? I also wrote taking it away, implying humans, not giving it to animals. Educate a dolphin all you want, I don't think you're going to get very far.
      - noir_lord 9y ago
        Education is a function of intelligence otherwise there would be nothing to educate people on. Technological superiority is a function of intelligence as well or to put it the other way - systematic education and systematic technological superiority are a result of the exact intelligence superiority you claim we don't have. We took ourselves out of the food chain, You have to be astronomically unlucky or really try at getting eaten anymore. I'm actually going to stop answering you now because I see no way we can reach any kind of satisfactory conclusion given that you throw out statements like "animals are smarter than the average human" and that education and technological superiority aren't dependent on intelligence.
  - jonnathanson 9y ago
    "Many animals can rival or exceed the intelligence of the average human" Huh? The only animal on Earth known to be capable of exceeding the intelligence of the average human is the above-average human. Octopuses, dolphins, chimps, crows, and elephants are all extremely intelligent, but let's not get carried away.
    - a2decrow 9y ago
      Broad general intelligence? Yes. Field specific intelligence? Not even close.
fsloth 9y ago
"End of the day, humans aren't anything special." I suggest you read the book 'Sapiens' by Yuval Noah Harari - humans are quite unique not only among animals but among our closest relatives (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and who knows how many other close relatives we likely wiped out). The difference is not necessarily a glorious one but a concrete and obvious. The difference is our capacity to hold unreal things as concrete which allows us to coordinate our life through thousands and millions of individuals ( and not just in small troops where everyone knows everyone else).

noir_lord 9y ago

When it comes to intelligence humans are special, its silly to say we aren't. By definition been the single most intelligent species on the planet makes us special. We get excited when other species display intelligence at a level we'd expect to see in a toddler because its fascinating to us, hell the fact that we systematically study other species itself puts us in another category.

a2decrow 9y ago
Think about how dumb the average human is and then realize half of them are dumber than that. Humans have become the dominant species for two reasons: 1. Our ability to reason 2. Our technological superiority Many animals can rival or exceed the intelligence of the average human, but due to the fact that they're seen as "just animals" and that they can't communicate with us in a matter we understand (nor care about doing it) makes humans think they are superior in every way. Then, whenever scientific progression proves that animals aren't as dumb as they look, humans have to come up with new arguments to separate themselves from other species. It's the typical arrogant and limited view of the common homo sapiens. Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. -- Arthur Schopenhauer
- noir_lord 9y ago
  > Many animals can rival or exceed the intelligence of the average human. That is an absurd assertion, the 'average' human being can use language at a level far beyond what any other species that demonstrates language can, complex tools, create even more complex tools from those already complex tools, write down the things they have learnt and gain knowledge from the things other humans have learnt and written down, create sophisticated predictive models of the world and test them refining the models as they go. Do animals have intelligence, absolutely, is it in the same realm as the average human, not even close. The difference in vast, there were other species with intelligence comparable to our own, they went extinct (and it's arguable that we are the reason why) I refer of course to the other species in the Genus Homo, the neanderthal's and others. We had competition from other species and we eliminated it not intentionally we just out-competed them (and interbred with them but since we where more numerous the end result was the same though their genes are still present).
  - a2decrow 9y ago
    What you are describing is called education and technological superiority. Take one of those away and see what happens. And whether the extinction of neanderthals and other species close to ours is due to intelligence or other influences can't be reliably proven. It's just the way nature evolved and it could have gone any other way as well.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
      > education Tempting, but no; we've tried raising primates like human children, and teaching them sign language. Childrearing went fine until age... 3 or 5, I forget, and then they hit a wall and stopped getting smarter. ASL went alright but still falls short of human levels.
      - a2decrow 9y ago
        Trying to teach them human inventions that are developed by and for humans and then calling them inferior when they don't succeed in using them to the fullest extent is pretty short-sighted. You can't teach every human every invention we ever made either. Some people suck at math, others excel at it. Are the people that suck at it now intellectually inferior to those that excel at math? I also wrote taking it away, implying humans, not giving it to animals. Educate a dolphin all you want, I don't think you're going to get very far.
    - noir_lord 9y ago
      Education is a function of intelligence otherwise there would be nothing to educate people on. Technological superiority is a function of intelligence as well or to put it the other way - systematic education and systematic technological superiority are a result of the exact intelligence superiority you claim we don't have. We took ourselves out of the food chain, You have to be astronomically unlucky or really try at getting eaten anymore. I'm actually going to stop answering you now because I see no way we can reach any kind of satisfactory conclusion given that you throw out statements like "animals are smarter than the average human" and that education and technological superiority aren't dependent on intelligence.
- jonnathanson 9y ago
  "Many animals can rival or exceed the intelligence of the average human" Huh? The only animal on Earth known to be capable of exceeding the intelligence of the average human is the above-average human. Octopuses, dolphins, chimps, crows, and elephants are all extremely intelligent, but let's not get carried away.
  - a2decrow 9y ago
    Broad general intelligence? Yes. Field specific intelligence? Not even close.

fsloth 9y ago

"End of the day, humans aren't anything special." I suggest you read the book 'Sapiens' by Yuval Noah Harari - humans are quite unique not only among animals but among our closest relatives (Neanderthals, Denisovans, and who knows how many other close relatives we likely wiped out). The difference is not necessarily a glorious one but a concrete and obvious. The difference is our capacity to hold unreal things as concrete which allows us to coordinate our life through thousands and millions of individuals ( and not just in small troops where everyone knows everyone else).