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You made an interesting point about how a stay-at-home partner might have different needs and different experiences of the same living area. I can see how that

by J-dawg 9y ago

You made an interesting point about how a stay-at-home partner might have different needs and different experiences of the same living area. I can see how that would be the case. What I disagree with is the (incredibly old-fashioned) implication that a man is somehow duty-bound to provide the material things that his wife requires. I am not "hanging my crap" on anyone.

Mz 9y ago
There is no point whatsoever at which I said or implied that. I did not say he must get her a bigger house. I did say that the house they currently have might be able to work for all parties, but maybe the improvements he is making are about what he likes and her needs aren't really being addressed. I did suggest he seek mediation. So, yeah, you have baggage and you are projecting all kinds of stuff onto me that I never said. If you check my blog, I encouraged my adult sons to take over the women's work in order to let them avoid getting a job and let me put more of my energy into my corporate job. I have a proven track record of being willing to be the provider for an adult man. I think it unlikely I will ever be the provider for a lover though because all evidence suggests that men almost never take over the housework proficiently when they have a woman paying their bills. Everything I have ever heard indicates they typically sit on their ass, play video games and can't be bothered to cook. She works all day and then goes home and also cooks dinner. I supported my sons because I came home and got served dinner. Most men seem incapable of really grasping that being a housewife is damn hard work and genuinely supports his career effort. An awful lot of them seem to think it is some pampered, privileged position where she sits around watching soap operas all day and eating bon bons while he busts his hump to support her in style. If you want to reread my previous remarks and engage my actual points, I am happy to talk to you. But everything you have said so far is total and complete projection of things you imagine me to believe, not anything I actually fucking said.
- J-dawg 9y ago
  >Everything I have ever heard indicates they typically sit on their ass, play video games and can't be bothered to cook. She works all day and then goes home and also cooks dinner. You make bizarre, unfounded generalisations like that and then accuse me of having baggage?
  - Mz 9y ago
    That is not a bizarre, unfounded generalization. I did say "typically" and it is based in part on having known a number of women in my life who actually were the primary provider and could not get their man to do shit all at home, even when he was unemployed. http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/11/imperfect-reflections-pt-2-women-of.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/11/imperfect-re... http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-i-got-man-to-do-womens-work-and.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-i-got-ma... So if you can't come back with genuine and respectful engagement, then I am done here. Because your remarks look like they are in no way in good faith.
    - J-dawg 9y ago
      You keep saying that, but I've done nothing other than engage with you respectfully. You're the one who has sworn at me, accused me of having "baggage" and made sexist generalisations about my gender. The feeling is mutual, I'm done as well.
    - thatwebdude 9y ago
      I think you had a lot of bad luck (and know people with bad luck) with finding the right life-partner and sincerely hope it doesn't permanently jade you for the rest of your life with your view on men. There are plenty of capable, willing, unlazy Super Dads out there (or super-husbands for those without kids) to combat the bad ones. The gross generalizations made here just completely turn me off from the rest of this conversation. I hope more people got a better idea of what's happening with the older comments made.
      - Mz 9y ago
        I think people who feel the need to make gross generalizations about me and my life gratuitously (like you) are part of the problem, not part of the solution. I have put up with quite a lot of crap on HN for simply being female in an overwhelmingly male environment, I really don't get adequate credit for handling that situation diplomatically most of the time in spite of very difficult personal circumstances and I am rather aggravated at the moment at having to up with this kind of comment from people like you. Too bad, so sad that those "gross generalizations" bother you. I have reason to believe they are not inaccurate. Statistics that I have seen back them up. The degree to which women get pretty shit on by life is bothering me a helluva lot at the moment, a thing you are no doubt wholly unsympathetic to.

by J-dawg 9y ago

Mz 9y ago

There is no point whatsoever at which I said or implied that. I did not say he must get her a bigger house. I did say that the house they currently have might be able to work for all parties, but maybe the improvements he is making are about what he likes and her needs aren't really being addressed. I did suggest he seek mediation. So, yeah, you have baggage and you are projecting all kinds of stuff onto me that I never said. If you check my blog, I encouraged my adult sons to take over the women's work in order to let them avoid getting a job and let me put more of my energy into my corporate job. I have a proven track record of being willing to be the provider for an adult man. I think it unlikely I will ever be the provider for a lover though because all evidence suggests that men almost never take over the housework proficiently when they have a woman paying their bills. Everything I have ever heard indicates they typically sit on their ass, play video games and can't be bothered to cook. She works all day and then goes home and also cooks dinner. I supported my sons because I came home and got served dinner. Most men seem incapable of really grasping that being a housewife is damn hard work and genuinely supports his career effort. An awful lot of them seem to think it is some pampered, privileged position where she sits around watching soap operas all day and eating bon bons while he busts his hump to support her in style. If you want to reread my previous remarks and engage my actual points, I am happy to talk to you. But everything you have said so far is total and complete projection of things you imagine me to believe, not anything I actually fucking said.

J-dawg 9y ago
>Everything I have ever heard indicates they typically sit on their ass, play video games and can't be bothered to cook. She works all day and then goes home and also cooks dinner. You make bizarre, unfounded generalisations like that and then accuse me of having baggage?
- Mz 9y ago
  That is not a bizarre, unfounded generalization. I did say "typically" and it is based in part on having known a number of women in my life who actually were the primary provider and could not get their man to do shit all at home, even when he was unemployed. http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/11/imperfect-reflections-pt-2-women-of.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/11/imperfect-re... http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-i-got-man-to-do-womens-work-and.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-i-got-ma... So if you can't come back with genuine and respectful engagement, then I am done here. Because your remarks look like they are in no way in good faith.
  - J-dawg 9y ago
    You keep saying that, but I've done nothing other than engage with you respectfully. You're the one who has sworn at me, accused me of having "baggage" and made sexist generalisations about my gender. The feeling is mutual, I'm done as well.
  - thatwebdude 9y ago
    I think you had a lot of bad luck (and know people with bad luck) with finding the right life-partner and sincerely hope it doesn't permanently jade you for the rest of your life with your view on men. There are plenty of capable, willing, unlazy Super Dads out there (or super-husbands for those without kids) to combat the bad ones. The gross generalizations made here just completely turn me off from the rest of this conversation. I hope more people got a better idea of what's happening with the older comments made.
    - Mz 9y ago
      I think people who feel the need to make gross generalizations about me and my life gratuitously (like you) are part of the problem, not part of the solution. I have put up with quite a lot of crap on HN for simply being female in an overwhelmingly male environment, I really don't get adequate credit for handling that situation diplomatically most of the time in spite of very difficult personal circumstances and I am rather aggravated at the moment at having to up with this kind of comment from people like you. Too bad, so sad that those "gross generalizations" bother you. I have reason to believe they are not inaccurate. Statistics that I have seen back them up. The degree to which women get pretty shit on by life is bothering me a helluva lot at the moment, a thing you are no doubt wholly unsympathetic to.