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Hmm, this is worrying. Certainly makes it less appealing to move to the US any time soon. Though I also wonder whether you can avoid this by simply having two

by CM30 9y ago

Hmm, this is worrying. Certainly makes it less appealing to move to the US any time soon. Though I also wonder whether you can avoid this by simply having two accounts, one with a fake name and details that the controversial stuff goes on and one with your real name that's mostly squeaky clean. How much do they research this stuff?

ocschwar 9y ago
Lying on these forms is what they WANT you to do. That way they can have a pretext for nabbing you whenever convenient.
- tdb7893 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure they don't want you to lie. Arresting you and deporting you would be expensive and doesn't seem like much of a gain over just rejecting you at the border.
  - danmaz74 9y ago
    The relevant part is "whenever convenient". Of course they don't want to arrest and deport too many people, but with this kind of things they can easily find you at fault "whenever convenient".
astrodust 9y ago
> How much do they research this stuff? It probably depends on how subjectively "suspicious" you seem, which is to say, how non-white you sound or look. Something tells me actual threats Like Jeremy Christian probably won't be given a second glance.
tempay 9y ago
The problem then is that you've made a knowily declared false information which itself is a crime a could reasonably be used to investigate further. If you wish to visit the US these are the rules you have to accept. Personally I've decided to not attend conferences in the US or visit for the foreseeable future.
- rjsw 9y ago
  This isn't really a new problem though. I haven't been to the US for a long time but whenever I did in the past I had to make a false declaration on the visa form, as did anyone else with strong crypto software on their laptop.
- cm2187 9y ago
  For me it is the accumulation of all these annoyances together, not each individually, which makes a trip to the US now really unappealing. Long queues for passports on arrival, long queues at the security, laptop & tablet ban (some planes are still using VCR based flight entertainment, and most movies suck), this attitude that airports, airlines and law enforcement have of ending each interaction with their customers with a threat. Now this. Some people actually like to spend their holidays in some boot camp where they will be shouted at and get their ass kicked. I myself don't enjoy that.
tdb7893 9y ago
You might be able to but it's probably not a good idea unless you really have bad stuff on the other account. Lying to border patrol is a great way to be detained or even rejected at the border.

by CM30 9y ago

ocschwar 9y ago

Lying on these forms is what they WANT you to do. That way they can have a pretext for nabbing you whenever convenient.

tdb7893 9y ago
I'm pretty sure they don't want you to lie. Arresting you and deporting you would be expensive and doesn't seem like much of a gain over just rejecting you at the border.
- danmaz74 9y ago
  The relevant part is "whenever convenient". Of course they don't want to arrest and deport too many people, but with this kind of things they can easily find you at fault "whenever convenient".

astrodust 9y ago

> How much do they research this stuff? It probably depends on how subjectively "suspicious" you seem, which is to say, how non-white you sound or look. Something tells me actual threats Like Jeremy Christian probably won't be given a second glance.

tempay 9y ago

The problem then is that you've made a knowily declared false information which itself is a crime a could reasonably be used to investigate further. If you wish to visit the US these are the rules you have to accept. Personally I've decided to not attend conferences in the US or visit for the foreseeable future.

rjsw 9y ago
This isn't really a new problem though. I haven't been to the US for a long time but whenever I did in the past I had to make a false declaration on the visa form, as did anyone else with strong crypto software on their laptop.
cm2187 9y ago
For me it is the accumulation of all these annoyances together, not each individually, which makes a trip to the US now really unappealing. Long queues for passports on arrival, long queues at the security, laptop & tablet ban (some planes are still using VCR based flight entertainment, and most movies suck), this attitude that airports, airlines and law enforcement have of ending each interaction with their customers with a threat. Now this. Some people actually like to spend their holidays in some boot camp where they will be shouted at and get their ass kicked. I myself don't enjoy that.

tdb7893 9y ago

You might be able to but it's probably not a good idea unless you really have bad stuff on the other account. Lying to border patrol is a great way to be detained or even rejected at the border.