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> the "joke" It's "hilarious", you're missing out on "a witty insight" about "valuable programming skills". alt post: it's as much of a joke as xkcd's "I unde

> the "joke" It's "hilarious", you're missing out on "a witty insight" about "valuable programming skills". alt post: it's as much of a joke as xkcd's "I understood that reference" performance pieces.

cyphar 9y ago
"Unnecessary" usage of "quotation" marks doesn't "make you" seem "enlightened", "it 'just' makes" you "sound" ""pretentious"".
- falsedan 9y ago
  The quotes are what other people have said. Jokes need to have a punchline and evoke a humour response in the audience; the references to base-1 in the ancestor comments do neither, so describing them as a 'joke' is inaccurate (hence the quotes to mark it as verbatim). I certainly agree that overuse of quotes makes a comment pretentious!
  - cyphar 9y ago
    Maybe you're not the intended audience then? Personally it got a smile out of me, and I do find some xkcd comics funny. If you don't, that's fine, but it doesn't make them not jokes.
    - falsedan 9y ago
      I find that the barrier they present to understanding for people unfamiliar with "geek culture" is elitist and exclusionary. The emotional response they evoke in the viewer is based on, "I know something that other people don't", which doesn't match my experience of actual jokes from comedians.
      - cyphar 9y ago
        I just went to see what you meant, and the current front-page comic on xkcd[1] doesn't convey that to me at all. Fudging statistics isn't part of geek culture (even politicians do it :P). I went back and of the past 10 comics, you could argue 3 of them reference "geek culture" so heavily you can't understand the joke unless you know what they're on about. I'm not going to pretend that it's not true (after all, the author is a geek and wants to share that with other people -- there are plenty of comics for "non-geeks"), but it's definitely not true of _every comic_. > The emotional response they evoke in the viewer is based on, "I know something that other people don't" Personally, the xkcd comics I find funny are the ones I relate to (the same with any joke). In particular, this one on Machine Learning[2] was especially funny to me because someone in my research group recently started looking at neural nets to analyse stellar spectra and we had a similar conversation with a similar conclusion. Just because very few people might relate to a particular comic doesn't mean that they relate to that comic because they like feeling superior (they might, but that's not what the comic is trying to do). [1]: https://xkcd.com/1845/ https://xkcd.com/1845/ [2]: https://xkcd.com/1838/ https://xkcd.com/1838/
        dnautics 9y ago
        the structure of this comment train makes me very happy.
        falsedan 9y ago
        > the xkcd comics I find funny are the ones I relate to (the same with any joke). lol good one Wait, are you a chicken? Is the classic galline joke not funny to you because you can't relate to a bird? When you talk about finding that xkcd funny because you could relate its situation to a personal experience, I feel that was evoked from the feeling of nostalgia/coincidence; that certainly can be funny, but it's definitely not a joke. Take the "people under the orange sun/red sun" joke from My Three Suns[0] (Futurama S01E07, 1999): it's not funny just because it's a callback to the same joke in Homer and Apu[1] (The Simpsons S05E13, 1994); or because it's satirizing the derivative "white people/black people" comedy routines (e.g. Eddie Griffin[2]) inspired by the set from Richard Pryor: Live in Concert[3] (1979). It's funny because the comedian walks in a funny way, and talks in a silly voice. Very few people I know would walk & talk like this, yet (even without being able to relate to it) I can enjoy its humour. The multi-layered reference make it a deep joke, and the timing/acting/context make it a good joke. My issue with xkcd is that it only uses the reference part, seeing that many great jokes include callbacks to other jokes, but missing the "being funny" basic requirement of a joke. [0]: https://youtu.be/EZe7z73jKj8 https://youtu.be/EZe7z73jKj8 [1]: https://youtu.be/L104LViQeIw https://youtu.be/L104LViQeIw [2]: https://youtu.be/o_RZusRfuw4 https://youtu.be/o_RZusRfuw4 [3]: https://youtu.be/RL8Rru-lFmg https://youtu.be/RL8Rru-lFmg

cyphar 9y ago

"Unnecessary" usage of "quotation" marks doesn't "make you" seem "enlightened", "it 'just' makes" you "sound" ""pretentious"".

falsedan 9y ago
The quotes are what other people have said. Jokes need to have a punchline and evoke a humour response in the audience; the references to base-1 in the ancestor comments do neither, so describing them as a 'joke' is inaccurate (hence the quotes to mark it as verbatim). I certainly agree that overuse of quotes makes a comment pretentious!
- cyphar 9y ago
  Maybe you're not the intended audience then? Personally it got a smile out of me, and I do find some xkcd comics funny. If you don't, that's fine, but it doesn't make them not jokes.
  - falsedan 9y ago
    I find that the barrier they present to understanding for people unfamiliar with "geek culture" is elitist and exclusionary. The emotional response they evoke in the viewer is based on, "I know something that other people don't", which doesn't match my experience of actual jokes from comedians.
    - cyphar 9y ago
      I just went to see what you meant, and the current front-page comic on xkcd[1] doesn't convey that to me at all. Fudging statistics isn't part of geek culture (even politicians do it :P). I went back and of the past 10 comics, you could argue 3 of them reference "geek culture" so heavily you can't understand the joke unless you know what they're on about. I'm not going to pretend that it's not true (after all, the author is a geek and wants to share that with other people -- there are plenty of comics for "non-geeks"), but it's definitely not true of _every comic_. > The emotional response they evoke in the viewer is based on, "I know something that other people don't" Personally, the xkcd comics I find funny are the ones I relate to (the same with any joke). In particular, this one on Machine Learning[2] was especially funny to me because someone in my research group recently started looking at neural nets to analyse stellar spectra and we had a similar conversation with a similar conclusion. Just because very few people might relate to a particular comic doesn't mean that they relate to that comic because they like feeling superior (they might, but that's not what the comic is trying to do). [1]: https://xkcd.com/1845/ https://xkcd.com/1845/ [2]: https://xkcd.com/1838/ https://xkcd.com/1838/
      - dnautics 9y ago
        the structure of this comment train makes me very happy.
      - falsedan 9y ago
        > the xkcd comics I find funny are the ones I relate to (the same with any joke). lol good one Wait, are you a chicken? Is the classic galline joke not funny to you because you can't relate to a bird? When you talk about finding that xkcd funny because you could relate its situation to a personal experience, I feel that was evoked from the feeling of nostalgia/coincidence; that certainly can be funny, but it's definitely not a joke. Take the "people under the orange sun/red sun" joke from My Three Suns[0] (Futurama S01E07, 1999): it's not funny just because it's a callback to the same joke in Homer and Apu[1] (The Simpsons S05E13, 1994); or because it's satirizing the derivative "white people/black people" comedy routines (e.g. Eddie Griffin[2]) inspired by the set from Richard Pryor: Live in Concert[3] (1979). It's funny because the comedian walks in a funny way, and talks in a silly voice. Very few people I know would walk & talk like this, yet (even without being able to relate to it) I can enjoy its humour. The multi-layered reference make it a deep joke, and the timing/acting/context make it a good joke. My issue with xkcd is that it only uses the reference part, seeing that many great jokes include callbacks to other jokes, but missing the "being funny" basic requirement of a joke. [0]: https://youtu.be/EZe7z73jKj8 https://youtu.be/EZe7z73jKj8 [1]: https://youtu.be/L104LViQeIw https://youtu.be/L104LViQeIw [2]: https://youtu.be/o_RZusRfuw4 https://youtu.be/o_RZusRfuw4 [3]: https://youtu.be/RL8Rru-lFmg https://youtu.be/RL8Rru-lFmg