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No, because of tourist rentals are not enough for covering the local demand, the problem is 10x bigger. Regarding people needs, in my opinion the problem is th

No, because of tourist rentals are not enough for covering the local demand, the problem is 10x bigger. Regarding people needs, in my opinion the problem is that people in charge in local government (Barcelona city) is not focused in solving the problems, but in agitprop for increasing their own power (currently the extreme-left is governing Barcelona in minority). Also, regional government (Catalonia) is focused in doing separatist agitprop in order to hide their corruption. In top of that, central government (government of the country, Spain) has no competences to help in the housing problems, as most competences in that regard are local/regional.

Oletros 9y ago
Extreme left? Sure
bcncit 9y ago
Thank you for clarifying. As a Barcelona citizen, I was with the impression that Spain's central government furious attack against Catalonia people's right to self-determination was to simply to distract the fact that the central government party (Partido Popular) has over 900 politicians currently on trial with charges of corruption (more than any other party in the whole Europe). In fact, I thought central government's current situation was great material for a potential sequel of a great movie. The sequel could be called "Wag the Dog 2" with Robert de Niro as adviser of central goverment's president Mariano Rajoy, who as you know will be forced to declare in one these trials for corruption. So, in your opinion the best solution for Barcelona is that Spain's central government should take over and fix our housing issues in Barcelona? Thanks in advance for elaborating on the reasons why you think it is a good idea after the chaos they created in Barcelona's airport with something much simpler as passport control.
- faragon 9y ago
  You're a Spanish citizen, as there is no such thing as per-city citizenship in Spain. BTW, you can twist the words at your convenience, if that makes you happy.
  - bcncit 9y ago
    Currently, I am technically a Spanish citizen. I like people from Spain, their food and their culture, and I even find it kind of cool that they have a king, although I do not feel he is my king in any way. When I watch a soccer game with the Spain's national team I can equally celebrate a goal scored by them or against them if I like the goal. With Catalonia's national team (who only are allowed to play once a year) or my local team FC Barcelona (I even have a season ticket) the feelings are totally different. Also I do not feel at all the Spanish flag is my flag. To be frank, I even have a sense of foreigness when I look at the Spanish flag, possibly because it still somehow suggests repression to me. I strongly believe that people in Catalonia should have the right of self-determination. The culture, the language, even the traits are distinct enough to deserve it, and not be bullied because of it. That Catalan people have the right of self-determination does not mean that all Catalan people who think they should have that right would vote to leave Spain. I am totally neutral about if the outcome of a referendum is to leave Spain or to stay in Spain (both things have upsides and downsides at short and long term), but I'm not neutral about Catalonia's people having the right of self-determination, we should have it.
    - faragon 9y ago
      You can believe in whatever you want, have aversion to symbols, think how special you are vs other co-citizens, etc.: your free-speech is protected by the Spanish Constitution, the UE, and the UN. Mine is protected, too, and in my opinion the Catalan region culture is pretty similar to the culture of the rest of Spain, and the ones painting the Catalan region as "different", in the ethic sense, lie, or simply don't consider the majority of the Catalan population as human beings having the same rights (check Catalan people family-names: are in the same proportion as the rest of Spain; you can check also religion, gastronomy, even trash-TV show taste is similar to the Spanish average, etc.). Regarding the "Catalan people", I am "Catalan people", too, and the only oppression I see in the Catalan region is the one pushed by the Catalan regional government towards forcing uniform ethnic brainwash from public administration and schools, in Catalan-only, instead of bilingual Spanish-Catalan. A reminder: not only Catalan-speakers -mother tongue- (35% of inhabitants of the Catalan region) have rights, Spanish-speakers (55% of inhabitants of the Catalan region) have rights, too. So next time you fight for your rights, be sure you're really fighting for your rights (I would endorse you), and not for quitting/removing/stealing other people's rights (I would not endorse you). Respect works both ways. Kind regards.
- dang 9y ago
  The sort of internecine political battle that you and faragon took this thread into definitely does not belong on HN. Please don't do this again. The last thing we need here is flaming nationalist passions.
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dang 9y ago
The sort of internecine political battle that you and bcncit took this thread into definitely does not belong on HN. Please don't do this again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14473540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14473540 and marked it off-topic.

Oletros 9y ago

Extreme left? Sure

bcncit 9y ago

Thank you for clarifying. As a Barcelona citizen, I was with the impression that Spain's central government furious attack against Catalonia people's right to self-determination was to simply to distract the fact that the central government party (Partido Popular) has over 900 politicians currently on trial with charges of corruption (more than any other party in the whole Europe). In fact, I thought central government's current situation was great material for a potential sequel of a great movie. The sequel could be called "Wag the Dog 2" with Robert de Niro as adviser of central goverment's president Mariano Rajoy, who as you know will be forced to declare in one these trials for corruption. So, in your opinion the best solution for Barcelona is that Spain's central government should take over and fix our housing issues in Barcelona? Thanks in advance for elaborating on the reasons why you think it is a good idea after the chaos they created in Barcelona's airport with something much simpler as passport control.

faragon 9y ago
You're a Spanish citizen, as there is no such thing as per-city citizenship in Spain. BTW, you can twist the words at your convenience, if that makes you happy.
- bcncit 9y ago
  Currently, I am technically a Spanish citizen. I like people from Spain, their food and their culture, and I even find it kind of cool that they have a king, although I do not feel he is my king in any way. When I watch a soccer game with the Spain's national team I can equally celebrate a goal scored by them or against them if I like the goal. With Catalonia's national team (who only are allowed to play once a year) or my local team FC Barcelona (I even have a season ticket) the feelings are totally different. Also I do not feel at all the Spanish flag is my flag. To be frank, I even have a sense of foreigness when I look at the Spanish flag, possibly because it still somehow suggests repression to me. I strongly believe that people in Catalonia should have the right of self-determination. The culture, the language, even the traits are distinct enough to deserve it, and not be bullied because of it. That Catalan people have the right of self-determination does not mean that all Catalan people who think they should have that right would vote to leave Spain. I am totally neutral about if the outcome of a referendum is to leave Spain or to stay in Spain (both things have upsides and downsides at short and long term), but I'm not neutral about Catalonia's people having the right of self-determination, we should have it.
  - faragon 9y ago
    You can believe in whatever you want, have aversion to symbols, think how special you are vs other co-citizens, etc.: your free-speech is protected by the Spanish Constitution, the UE, and the UN. Mine is protected, too, and in my opinion the Catalan region culture is pretty similar to the culture of the rest of Spain, and the ones painting the Catalan region as "different", in the ethic sense, lie, or simply don't consider the majority of the Catalan population as human beings having the same rights (check Catalan people family-names: are in the same proportion as the rest of Spain; you can check also religion, gastronomy, even trash-TV show taste is similar to the Spanish average, etc.). Regarding the "Catalan people", I am "Catalan people", too, and the only oppression I see in the Catalan region is the one pushed by the Catalan regional government towards forcing uniform ethnic brainwash from public administration and schools, in Catalan-only, instead of bilingual Spanish-Catalan. A reminder: not only Catalan-speakers -mother tongue- (35% of inhabitants of the Catalan region) have rights, Spanish-speakers (55% of inhabitants of the Catalan region) have rights, too. So next time you fight for your rights, be sure you're really fighting for your rights (I would endorse you), and not for quitting/removing/stealing other people's rights (I would not endorse you). Respect works both ways. Kind regards.
dang 9y ago
The sort of internecine political battle that you and faragon took this thread into definitely does not belong on HN. Please don't do this again. The last thing we need here is flaming nationalist passions.

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dang 9y ago

The sort of internecine political battle that you and bcncit took this thread into definitely does not belong on HN. Please don't do this again. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14473540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14473540 and marked it off-topic.