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We're working to solve this problem at http://MoonlightWork.com http://MoonlightWork.com. At my last startup, I had a lot of friends who wanted to help us out -

We're working to solve this problem at http://MoonlightWork.com http://MoonlightWork.com. At my last startup, I had a lot of friends who wanted to help us out - but they had day jobs that they couldn't leave. So, I started hiring them part-time as contractors. It was great - we had top talent, and they could focus on interesting problems while making extra money. Moonlight is still in its early stages but we are doing thousands of dollars per week in business. Our average hourly rate based on paid contracts so far has been $146.79. We're focusing on more specialized work rather than generic web development from scratch. Early projects have ranged from a custom algorithm for a hedge fund to some infrastructure work to support Tensorflow. The benefit to companies is that they have access to specialized engineers for focused projects, and they can get a match within 48 hours. If you're interested in short-term projects, you can join at https://MoonlightWork.com/apply https://MoonlightWork.com/apply - we're working on increasing the number of projects, so sorry if it takes a couple weeks to get a first project match. We're going though YC's Startup School MOOC, and we did live office hours with Sam Altman a few weeks ago. You can see the video here: https://youtu.be/abtHadERzXU https://youtu.be/abtHadERzXU

ElatedOwl 9y ago
I'm interested in applying but don't have a LinkedIn or traditional portfolio - is a stack careers Developer Story acceptable?
- philip1209 9y ago
  Figuring out the best way to present a portfolio is something we're working on figuring out right now. Eventually we will have ratings in an app. For now - please submit whatever you have. About half of our clients have requested a short phone screen before beginning a project.
rupertdev 9y ago
I've just applied through your TypeForm. I'm a recently graduated Computer Engineer, with 2 years of experience working with web technologies. Hope to hear back!
- philip1209 9y ago
  Awesome! When a project comes in that matches your skills, we'll send a match notification to you over email. More about the process here -> https://www.moonlightwork.com/about/how-it-works https://www.moonlightwork.com/about/how-it-works
vlokshin 9y ago
Hey, Philip! We're in a similar space and more companies like yours need to exist. I'm one of the cofounders at https://turtle.ai/ https://turtle.ai/ Our average paid out hourly rates have been lower than yours, but we make it REALLY easy for both sides to work together. We've built our own task manager and chat app that makes customer and freelancer lives easier. We have a lot of PhD students and full time developers doing 5-15 hours per week on Turtle. Good luck and we'll be looking out for you! More "alternative work" options need to exist. The 40-hour, butt-in-seat life needs to go (or other options have to at least exist).
- philip1209 9y ago
  Cool - we've been taking a very manual approach to optimize our process so far, and are finally just starting on a web app! We have a lot more work to do in automating the process and creating a great user experience. We're users of our own product too - I'm working 10 hours a week through Moonlight to afford rent. Our mission is to help engineers earn what they want, and for some people - that means working more time for more money, but for others that means working just a few hours per week. I see that Turtle focuses more on web development. I think this is a good way to go about it - but for Moonlight specifically, I knew there was a problem when a friend of mine making $400K/year as a security researcher couldn't find a way to apply his skills in contract work. He wanted to travel and contract for a bit, and was having to look at webdev contracts at $50/hour. So, instead of focusing on building products for non-technical clients, we're focusing on more specialized tasks like dev-ops and algorithms for technical clients.
  - vlokshin 9y ago
    ah very cool. Our customers are technical and non-technical. There is a lot of web and mobile app development work, but we've had some interesting projects on there already (ML, AI, even an app to stop your cat from locking up your keyboard when you watch movies.... haha). I really like your focus. It's ridiculous that the infrastructure doesn't exist for a professional making 400K / year to make 100K / year for 25% the time (assuming skill is stagnant. if it improves, rates should adjust). Drop me a line if you ever want to chat -- vlad (at) turtle.ai Good luck!
s73ver 9y ago
Isn't this just Gigster again?
- vlokshin 9y ago
  One day, someone said "isn't this just Yahoo again?" Rephrased: Isn't Gigster a seemingly more efficient way to build software? Why aren't there more companies like Gigster? Competitors to Gigster? There should be. It is a more efficient way to build software. The market will reward Gigster, MoonlightWork, and Turtle.
- philip1209 9y ago
  Gigster is building web-apps for non-technical clients. They have a ton of overhead, take a HUGE cut, and have to spend a lot of time and money on product management, project management, and design before it hits the engineer. We're focusing more on microtasks for technical clients. Think - helping the CTO and in-house team gain momentum, rather than outsourcing.
atarian 9y ago
Do you guys turn away applicants? I applied a while ago and never heard back.
- philip1209 9y ago
  The truth is - the process is still very manual right now, and it took us about a month to realize that we needed to add a confirmation email after signup! (We've only been full-time on this for about 2 months, too.) We don't do much screening on our end except for fraudulent applications - the clients choose from among several contractors and proposals. We know that we need to engage our community more - so keep an eye out this week for an email update from our team and a Slack community channel (with a stream of incoming jobs).
  - atarian 9y ago
    Alright, thanks!
palidanx 9y ago
Just an fyi for my browser it looks kind of weird http://imgur.com/a/XQ7TO http://imgur.com/a/XQ7TO
- philip1209 9y ago
  Weird - which browser? We're using Bulma/Flexbox, so I know that only the latest browsers will really support it. Edit: I thought it was the double-scrollbar, but I now see that Log In is cut-off. We'll fix the responsiveness - thanks!
  - palidanx 9y ago
    It also is the double scrollbar. Pm me and i'll send you more browser details
manglav 9y ago
Hi I just applied, but your typeform was very small, only 100px high. Not sure if that was intentional or not.
- philip1209 9y ago
  Whoops - I see that it's a problem and will fix it right away!
tdeck 9y ago
I notice your site says you have developers from Google, but Google claims to own all IP developed by their employees in their free time. There's an exemption process but it can take a while to get approval. Do you have any ideas or guidelines on how to navigate that?
- philip1209 9y ago
  We have contractors who formerly worked at Google.

ElatedOwl 9y ago

I'm interested in applying but don't have a LinkedIn or traditional portfolio - is a stack careers Developer Story acceptable?

philip1209 9y ago
Figuring out the best way to present a portfolio is something we're working on figuring out right now. Eventually we will have ratings in an app. For now - please submit whatever you have. About half of our clients have requested a short phone screen before beginning a project.

rupertdev 9y ago

I've just applied through your TypeForm. I'm a recently graduated Computer Engineer, with 2 years of experience working with web technologies. Hope to hear back!

philip1209 9y ago
Awesome! When a project comes in that matches your skills, we'll send a match notification to you over email. More about the process here -> https://www.moonlightwork.com/about/how-it-works https://www.moonlightwork.com/about/how-it-works

vlokshin 9y ago

Hey, Philip! We're in a similar space and more companies like yours need to exist. I'm one of the cofounders at https://turtle.ai/ https://turtle.ai/ Our average paid out hourly rates have been lower than yours, but we make it REALLY easy for both sides to work together. We've built our own task manager and chat app that makes customer and freelancer lives easier. We have a lot of PhD students and full time developers doing 5-15 hours per week on Turtle. Good luck and we'll be looking out for you! More "alternative work" options need to exist. The 40-hour, butt-in-seat life needs to go (or other options have to at least exist).

philip1209 9y ago
Cool - we've been taking a very manual approach to optimize our process so far, and are finally just starting on a web app! We have a lot more work to do in automating the process and creating a great user experience. We're users of our own product too - I'm working 10 hours a week through Moonlight to afford rent. Our mission is to help engineers earn what they want, and for some people - that means working more time for more money, but for others that means working just a few hours per week. I see that Turtle focuses more on web development. I think this is a good way to go about it - but for Moonlight specifically, I knew there was a problem when a friend of mine making $400K/year as a security researcher couldn't find a way to apply his skills in contract work. He wanted to travel and contract for a bit, and was having to look at webdev contracts at $50/hour. So, instead of focusing on building products for non-technical clients, we're focusing on more specialized tasks like dev-ops and algorithms for technical clients.
- vlokshin 9y ago
  ah very cool. Our customers are technical and non-technical. There is a lot of web and mobile app development work, but we've had some interesting projects on there already (ML, AI, even an app to stop your cat from locking up your keyboard when you watch movies.... haha). I really like your focus. It's ridiculous that the infrastructure doesn't exist for a professional making 400K / year to make 100K / year for 25% the time (assuming skill is stagnant. if it improves, rates should adjust). Drop me a line if you ever want to chat -- vlad (at) turtle.ai Good luck!

s73ver 9y ago

Isn't this just Gigster again?

vlokshin 9y ago
One day, someone said "isn't this just Yahoo again?" Rephrased: Isn't Gigster a seemingly more efficient way to build software? Why aren't there more companies like Gigster? Competitors to Gigster? There should be. It is a more efficient way to build software. The market will reward Gigster, MoonlightWork, and Turtle.
philip1209 9y ago
Gigster is building web-apps for non-technical clients. They have a ton of overhead, take a HUGE cut, and have to spend a lot of time and money on product management, project management, and design before it hits the engineer. We're focusing more on microtasks for technical clients. Think - helping the CTO and in-house team gain momentum, rather than outsourcing.

atarian 9y ago

Do you guys turn away applicants? I applied a while ago and never heard back.

philip1209 9y ago
The truth is - the process is still very manual right now, and it took us about a month to realize that we needed to add a confirmation email after signup! (We've only been full-time on this for about 2 months, too.) We don't do much screening on our end except for fraudulent applications - the clients choose from among several contractors and proposals. We know that we need to engage our community more - so keep an eye out this week for an email update from our team and a Slack community channel (with a stream of incoming jobs).
- atarian 9y ago
  Alright, thanks!

palidanx 9y ago

Just an fyi for my browser it looks kind of weird http://imgur.com/a/XQ7TO http://imgur.com/a/XQ7TO

philip1209 9y ago
Weird - which browser? We're using Bulma/Flexbox, so I know that only the latest browsers will really support it. Edit: I thought it was the double-scrollbar, but I now see that Log In is cut-off. We'll fix the responsiveness - thanks!
- palidanx 9y ago
  It also is the double scrollbar. Pm me and i'll send you more browser details

manglav 9y ago

Hi I just applied, but your typeform was very small, only 100px high. Not sure if that was intentional or not.

philip1209 9y ago
Whoops - I see that it's a problem and will fix it right away!

tdeck 9y ago

I notice your site says you have developers from Google, but Google claims to own all IP developed by their employees in their free time. There's an exemption process but it can take a while to get approval. Do you have any ideas or guidelines on how to navigate that?

philip1209 9y ago
We have contractors who formerly worked at Google.