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What do you propose? I'm against exploitation of workers, too, but at the end of the day there is only so much you can do with jobs that require relatively uns

What do you propose? I'm against exploitation of workers, too, but at the end of the day there is only so much you can do with jobs that require relatively unskilled labor. If a 15 year old can do your job as well as you can after a few months of training, it's not a safe job that you can expect anything out of. It's gonna get automated away anyway. But here Walmart (whatever their other faults), offers a way for workers to make money doing something they already have to (thus it has more utility than their normal role), and they're evil? If people's regular jobs paid a "living wage", people wouldn't have to Uber, but it's how the world works. Kind of damned if you do damned if you don't isn't it?

sangnoir 9y ago
> If a 15 year old can do your job as well as you can after a few months of training, it's not a safe job that you can expect anything out of Yet there is a world of a difference between Walmart jobs and Costco jobs. Unemployment in the US is lower than some countries with better worker's rights. > If people's regular jobs paid a "living wage", people wouldn't have to Uber, but it's how the world works No, not the world, mostly just the US. For the rest of the world, the line between employment and unemployment is not so bad that you have people with full-time jobs and still need food stamps. I feel that setup is a covert government subsidy to corporates. But hey, we shouldn't mess with the "job-creaters", right? Or else.
- oxide 9y ago
  If you work at Walmart, you've got fuck all to show for it. Working at Costco sounds like a dream in direct comparison. Benefits, decent pay, etc. Hell, they have an entire wall dedicated to employees of the month that go way back. It's funny how a little goodwill towards your workers seems to have a ripple effect, making shopping at Costco a lot less stressful since the workers are relaxed and happy, willing to small talk while they ring ya up, the managment is roaming around managing, etc. Being treated like a suspect for visiting the pharmacy without a membership card is my big gripe with Costco. However we just transferred my grandparents stuff to a better, more competent pharmacy. Now I have no gripes.
icantdrive55 9y ago
Wallmart cleaned up their act a bit. They start their employees off at $10/hr. That said--they have a long way to go to reverse their past behaviors, in order for myself to drive 40 miles to their store. My best friend, who passed, used to work at Wallmart. They have Managers training programs. It's kinda the only way to make more a bit more money. They basically want the candidates to go way beyond what they are paid for in order to get into the program. Very few have a shot at becomming a Store Manager, but they try very hard. Many will become associate Managers, or some other rediculious title. A slight bump up in pay, and a title. I have a feeling those that don't offer to drive packages will be looked down upon. "She's/He's not a team player?" On selfish note, I don't want anybody who isn't trained/bonded to knock on my door. I don't mind UPS, or USPS on my property. If they lose their job, it's a big deal. They like their jobs. They are treated fairly, or used to be treated fairly? I don't want to take the chance on any random retail worker on my property. I want a bonded/insured delivery person knocking on my door. "But Dude, you have no problem with the pizza guy?" No because, it's usually a temporary job, and the job hasen't disenfranchised the employee yet. I understand the predicament retail is in. Bestbuy has a similar program. I had some dude roll up--rap blaring, and banging on my door. He had my Christmas gift, that was bought online. At first, I thought he was a process server. I'm not sure how they can compete with Amazon. If Wallmart decided to hire/train/bond/insure professional delivery drivers, I would pay a bit extra for a home delivery, and more importantly start shopping their again.
Broken_Hippo 9y ago
So you are against exploitation, yet you add a "but"? Who cares if someone else can do the job pretty readily. Anyone can be a prostitute or stripper (yeah, I know, looks and all). Some folks would argue that a 17 year old might do it better, but that's no excuse for exploitation. "If people's regular jobs paid a "living wage", people wouldn't have to Uber, but it's how the world works." Just because some folks have to do it to get by doesn't make it right or desirable. If we can do things as a society so that people don't have to Uber just to get by - and we aren't doing it - we as a society are horrible people. And that is more where we are at now.

sangnoir 9y ago

> If a 15 year old can do your job as well as you can after a few months of training, it's not a safe job that you can expect anything out of Yet there is a world of a difference between Walmart jobs and Costco jobs. Unemployment in the US is lower than some countries with better worker's rights. > If people's regular jobs paid a "living wage", people wouldn't have to Uber, but it's how the world works No, not the world, mostly just the US. For the rest of the world, the line between employment and unemployment is not so bad that you have people with full-time jobs and still need food stamps. I feel that setup is a covert government subsidy to corporates. But hey, we shouldn't mess with the "job-creaters", right? Or else.

oxide 9y ago
If you work at Walmart, you've got fuck all to show for it. Working at Costco sounds like a dream in direct comparison. Benefits, decent pay, etc. Hell, they have an entire wall dedicated to employees of the month that go way back. It's funny how a little goodwill towards your workers seems to have a ripple effect, making shopping at Costco a lot less stressful since the workers are relaxed and happy, willing to small talk while they ring ya up, the managment is roaming around managing, etc. Being treated like a suspect for visiting the pharmacy without a membership card is my big gripe with Costco. However we just transferred my grandparents stuff to a better, more competent pharmacy. Now I have no gripes.

icantdrive55 9y ago

Wallmart cleaned up their act a bit. They start their employees off at $10/hr. That said--they have a long way to go to reverse their past behaviors, in order for myself to drive 40 miles to their store. My best friend, who passed, used to work at Wallmart. They have Managers training programs. It's kinda the only way to make more a bit more money. They basically want the candidates to go way beyond what they are paid for in order to get into the program. Very few have a shot at becomming a Store Manager, but they try very hard. Many will become associate Managers, or some other rediculious title. A slight bump up in pay, and a title. I have a feeling those that don't offer to drive packages will be looked down upon. "She's/He's not a team player?" On selfish note, I don't want anybody who isn't trained/bonded to knock on my door. I don't mind UPS, or USPS on my property. If they lose their job, it's a big deal. They like their jobs. They are treated fairly, or used to be treated fairly? I don't want to take the chance on any random retail worker on my property. I want a bonded/insured delivery person knocking on my door. "But Dude, you have no problem with the pizza guy?" No because, it's usually a temporary job, and the job hasen't disenfranchised the employee yet. I understand the predicament retail is in. Bestbuy has a similar program. I had some dude roll up--rap blaring, and banging on my door. He had my Christmas gift, that was bought online. At first, I thought he was a process server. I'm not sure how they can compete with Amazon. If Wallmart decided to hire/train/bond/insure professional delivery drivers, I would pay a bit extra for a home delivery, and more importantly start shopping their again.

Broken_Hippo 9y ago

So you are against exploitation, yet you add a "but"? Who cares if someone else can do the job pretty readily. Anyone can be a prostitute or stripper (yeah, I know, looks and all). Some folks would argue that a 17 year old might do it better, but that's no excuse for exploitation. "If people's regular jobs paid a "living wage", people wouldn't have to Uber, but it's how the world works." Just because some folks have to do it to get by doesn't make it right or desirable. If we can do things as a society so that people don't have to Uber just to get by - and we aren't doing it - we as a society are horrible people. And that is more where we are at now.