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Yes but the problem with languages like Nim is lack of support and maturity. Go is more versatile and at the same time more mature than anything out there. It i

Yes but the problem with languages like Nim is lack of support and maturity. Go is more versatile and at the same time more mature than anything out there. It is a different design and it excels in what it does (considering all tradeoffs now). Will Nim be as versatile and solid as Go in the future? Hard to predict but i would say no. You need a solid financial backing and certain amount of adoption where people actually write software that makes them money.

scriptkiddy 9y ago
> Yes but the problem with languages like Nim is lack of support and maturity. Agreed, that's why I don't use it for anything super important yet. Nim is approaching a 1.0 release soon. Go has a similar problem in that it is maintained almost entirely by Google who has a history of dropping projects without warning. > Go is more versatile and at the same time more mature than anything out there. This is objectively incorrect. In fact, Go aims precisely to be non-versatile for the sake of simplicity. That is why Go does not have generics for instance. > It is a different design and it excels in what it does (considering all tradeoffs now) I don't think it's design is all that different. It looks like a stripped down version of C and it's definitely not the first PL focused on concurrency. > Will Nim be as versatile and solid as Go in the future? Nim is already leagues above Go in the versatility(I assume you mean flexibility?) department. As far Nim being as "solid" as Go, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If you're asking about stability, I believe that Nim can reach a similar level of stability as Go, yes. > You need a solid financial backing and certain amount of adoption where people actually write software that makes them money. I agree with this. However, it's not always a quick process. The only reason Go is as popular as it is is because of Google's size and reputation(edited). Every programmer on Earth heard of Go within a few days of it's official release. Nim is taking a slow roll approach. Look at Python. It took almost 15 years before it started getting really popular. All that said, I didn't come into this thread to argue about Go vs Nim. I've been accused of shilling Nim in the past. I'm sorry that I like talking about PLs I enjoy using.
- geodel 9y ago
  > The only reason Go is as popular as it is is because of Google's marketing budget. Every programmer on Earth heard of Go within a few days of it's official release. I think Google put lot of marketing budget for Dart. But I don't see it ever comes in discussion regarding popularity or lack of it. It is fine a lot of people do not like Go but claiming its popular just because of Google seems baseless.
  - scriptkiddy 9y ago
    Well, Go is obviously not a bad language. That said, I do think that it's adoption was primarily fueled by Google's popularity. Imagine go being released by a single person or small group of people. How would people have heard about it?
    - fmstephe 9y ago
      I think this isn't quite true. From my perspective, Go did get a massive boost but not from Google. The language was originally designed by Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson. It is fair to say that without those names attached I would have likely passed it by. Google is boring, but those three names, for me at least, I had to take a look.
      - SwellJoe 9y ago
        If Google could make a language popular, where does Dart fit into the story? People seem to love Go, and with very little encouragement from Google. I don't see a lot of love for Dart...though everyone who's played with it seems to like it well enough.
        pjmlp 9y ago
        Dart was betrayed by Chrome and Angular teams as they decided to drop support for it. Let's see if Flutter and Fuschia teams manage to push adoption for Dart.
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ieRei6ae 9y ago
> the problem with languages like Nim is lack of support and maturity It was the same for Linux, Python, Ruby. Being community-driven can be a bug or a feature. > Go is more versatile Nim has macros, templates, overloading and compiles to C, JS, Objective-C. Runs on more architectures than Go including arduino microcontrollers. > mature than anything out there Go is not more mature than C, C++, Java, Python, Perl... > You need a solid financial backing See Linux, Python, Ruby... many projects had no big company or funding behind them.
solidsnack9000 9y ago
> Go is more versatile and at the same time more mature than anything out there. This doesn't seem like a very credible statement on the face of it. Is Go more mature and more versatile than Python? Than Java? Than...Scala? Go does seem to share a lot of use cases (and limitations) with Java; and it would be hard to call it more mature.

scriptkiddy 9y ago

> Yes but the problem with languages like Nim is lack of support and maturity. Agreed, that's why I don't use it for anything super important yet. Nim is approaching a 1.0 release soon. Go has a similar problem in that it is maintained almost entirely by Google who has a history of dropping projects without warning. > Go is more versatile and at the same time more mature than anything out there. This is objectively incorrect. In fact, Go aims precisely to be non-versatile for the sake of simplicity. That is why Go does not have generics for instance. > It is a different design and it excels in what it does (considering all tradeoffs now) I don't think it's design is all that different. It looks like a stripped down version of C and it's definitely not the first PL focused on concurrency. > Will Nim be as versatile and solid as Go in the future? Nim is already leagues above Go in the versatility(I assume you mean flexibility?) department. As far Nim being as "solid" as Go, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. If you're asking about stability, I believe that Nim can reach a similar level of stability as Go, yes. > You need a solid financial backing and certain amount of adoption where people actually write software that makes them money. I agree with this. However, it's not always a quick process. The only reason Go is as popular as it is is because of Google's size and reputation(edited). Every programmer on Earth heard of Go within a few days of it's official release. Nim is taking a slow roll approach. Look at Python. It took almost 15 years before it started getting really popular. All that said, I didn't come into this thread to argue about Go vs Nim. I've been accused of shilling Nim in the past. I'm sorry that I like talking about PLs I enjoy using.

geodel 9y ago
> The only reason Go is as popular as it is is because of Google's marketing budget. Every programmer on Earth heard of Go within a few days of it's official release. I think Google put lot of marketing budget for Dart. But I don't see it ever comes in discussion regarding popularity or lack of it. It is fine a lot of people do not like Go but claiming its popular just because of Google seems baseless.
- scriptkiddy 9y ago
  Well, Go is obviously not a bad language. That said, I do think that it's adoption was primarily fueled by Google's popularity. Imagine go being released by a single person or small group of people. How would people have heard about it?
  - fmstephe 9y ago
    I think this isn't quite true. From my perspective, Go did get a massive boost but not from Google. The language was originally designed by Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson. It is fair to say that without those names attached I would have likely passed it by. Google is boring, but those three names, for me at least, I had to take a look.
    - SwellJoe 9y ago
      If Google could make a language popular, where does Dart fit into the story? People seem to love Go, and with very little encouragement from Google. I don't see a lot of love for Dart...though everyone who's played with it seems to like it well enough.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        Dart was betrayed by Chrome and Angular teams as they decided to drop support for it. Let's see if Flutter and Fuschia teams manage to push adoption for Dart.
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ieRei6ae 9y ago

> the problem with languages like Nim is lack of support and maturity It was the same for Linux, Python, Ruby. Being community-driven can be a bug or a feature. > Go is more versatile Nim has macros, templates, overloading and compiles to C, JS, Objective-C. Runs on more architectures than Go including arduino microcontrollers. > mature than anything out there Go is not more mature than C, C++, Java, Python, Perl... > You need a solid financial backing See Linux, Python, Ruby... many projects had no big company or funding behind them.

solidsnack9000 9y ago

> Go is more versatile and at the same time more mature than anything out there. This doesn't seem like a very credible statement on the face of it. Is Go more mature and more versatile than Python? Than Java? Than...Scala? Go does seem to share a lot of use cases (and limitations) with Java; and it would be hard to call it more mature.