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A fun thought, Apple could acquire Sublime to compete with Visual Studio Code. It's native the way Apple loves native. It's already the favorite tool of develop

A fun thought, Apple could acquire Sublime to compete with Visual Studio Code. It's native the way Apple loves native. It's already the favorite tool of developers all over the world.

dawnerd 9y ago
That'd just suck for everyone that uses it on windows / linux.
- derefr 9y ago
  Why? • Apple has cross-platform apps, e.g. iTunes. Yes, iTunes on Windows is horrible—but only because it is effectively a userland driver stack for old iPods and such, and this prevents them from rewriting it to follow modern architecture. A plain old "app" wouldn't suffer from this problem. • It's clear from what's been happening to Visual Studio that all IDEs are increasingly expected to be cross-platform. XCode probably would be by now if it wasn't so bound to building Cocoa apps. Handing Apple an editor that's already cross-platform, I don't think they'd drop the capability.
  - vkou 9y ago
    My problems with iTunes have less to do with how the backend is implemented, and more with how asinine its interface is, and its incredibly uninformative, and at times, destructive abstractions. It sucked when the iPod was new and hot, it sucks now, and, unless they take use experience seriously, it will always suck.
  - jamespo 9y ago
    What else do they have other than itunes (which only exists to sell iphones, ipads etc)?
    - derefr 9y ago
      Not sure about programs; they do maintain the "Boot Camp" set of Windows drivers for their hardware, which seem pretty stable.
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pvg 9y ago
It's native the way Apple loves native. I don't think it is. It's a very un-OS-X app with its own completely alien-looking and ugly UI (and rendering and god knows what else). It's also not much of an IDE (unlike VS Code which has IDE goals and ambitions). It's a decent, snappy, Python-extensible cross-platform editor. It's native mostly just in the 'runs native code' sense and likely of no interest to Apple at all.
- erichdongubler 9y ago
  I agree that the default look for Sublime isn't impressive, but it's really easy to make it look awesome with a single plugin like this: http://equinsuocha.io/material-theme/#/default http://equinsuocha.io/material-theme/#/default To your point about being "not much of an IDE": Sublime doesn't try to be an IDE. It's a text editor, which approaches a fundamentally different facet of writing code. Plugins with Package Control also make it easy to get more IDE-like features -- do you think that they're not discoverable enough, maybe? How could it be improved?
  - pvg 9y ago
    I use Sublime, own a Sublime license, etc. I'm not talking about the colours and icons - just that it doesn't use native UI and what UI elements are implemented are quite clunky. It's very much not 'native the way Apple likes native'. It doesn't try to be an IDE so there wouldn't be much point in Apple buying it to 'compete with VS Code'. do you think that they're not discoverable enough, maybe? How could it be improved? Mostly, I think the Sublime developers don't consider this much of a priority and are ok with it being a clunkfest. Given that it's a small team making a living selling a niche cross-platform tool at a mere $70 a license, this is hardly unreasonable. But pretty or intuitive it ain't. Compare this to the extension/theme management or preferences UI in VS Code. It's also very much 'non-native' but usability is clearly something the developers are concerned about.
- heartbreak 9y ago
  How is this "completely alien-looking"? http://i.imgur.com/fp2Wzjc.png http://i.imgur.com/fp2Wzjc.png
filmgirlcw 9y ago
It's a fun thought, except it's not even "native" on Mac (it's C++ with some macOS/Cocoa bindings). I could never see Apple buying an app that wasn't built fully-native on their own platform, let alone a text editor. If Apple cared about a text editor, it would have bought TextMate years ago before that community migrated to Sublime (and some members of then migrated to Atom).
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  Is there any one editor that exists in prominence like this outside of fully-fledged IDE's and underdeveloped attempts? I haven't seen anything yet...
  - giobox 9y ago
    Although they have the obvious Electron based complaints, increasingly Atom and VS Code are getting more and more popular. In my workplace these have now largely replaced what was once pretty much a Sublime only shop. For my needs, Atom's third party package community has evolved at a pace far beyond what I experienced with Sublime. I of course still miss Sublime's superb speed, and ability to handle extremely large files without barfing. Mac users have also been big on using BBEdit for a long, long time.
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      Ah, I've tried all of them but because of this thread I'm trying VSCode again. It feels a little more robust, if a little more rigid than Atom. It's not a bad thing. I do like Atom, but experience the same complaints everybody else does there. Still a great project. Just was curious if there was some hidden gem not yet seen. I wonder if that would be a worthwhile undertaking -- a new native (even if its mac-only) robust editor...
      - pvg 9y ago
        TextMate is still around and at this point works more or less like OG TextMate did back in the day. It does one thing that most other OS X editors don't: it displays TextMate themes in the colour space they were originally designed in.
emanuelsaringan 9y ago
Then, for the sake of the tradition of naming things badly, they should name it XCode Code.
mwcremer 9y ago
Ahem. Xcode.

A fun thought, Apple could acquire Sublime to compete with Visual Studio Code. It's native the way Apple loves native. It's already the favorite tool of developers all over the world.

dawnerd 9y ago

That'd just suck for everyone that uses it on windows / linux.

derefr 9y ago
Why? • Apple has cross-platform apps, e.g. iTunes. Yes, iTunes on Windows is horrible—but only because it is effectively a userland driver stack for old iPods and such, and this prevents them from rewriting it to follow modern architecture. A plain old "app" wouldn't suffer from this problem. • It's clear from what's been happening to Visual Studio that all IDEs are increasingly expected to be cross-platform. XCode probably would be by now if it wasn't so bound to building Cocoa apps. Handing Apple an editor that's already cross-platform, I don't think they'd drop the capability.
- vkou 9y ago
  My problems with iTunes have less to do with how the backend is implemented, and more with how asinine its interface is, and its incredibly uninformative, and at times, destructive abstractions. It sucked when the iPod was new and hot, it sucks now, and, unless they take use experience seriously, it will always suck.
- jamespo 9y ago
  What else do they have other than itunes (which only exists to sell iphones, ipads etc)?
  - derefr 9y ago
    Not sure about programs; they do maintain the "Boot Camp" set of Windows drivers for their hardware, which seem pretty stable.

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pvg 9y ago

It's native the way Apple loves native. I don't think it is. It's a very un-OS-X app with its own completely alien-looking and ugly UI (and rendering and god knows what else). It's also not much of an IDE (unlike VS Code which has IDE goals and ambitions). It's a decent, snappy, Python-extensible cross-platform editor. It's native mostly just in the 'runs native code' sense and likely of no interest to Apple at all.

erichdongubler 9y ago
I agree that the default look for Sublime isn't impressive, but it's really easy to make it look awesome with a single plugin like this: http://equinsuocha.io/material-theme/#/default http://equinsuocha.io/material-theme/#/default To your point about being "not much of an IDE": Sublime doesn't try to be an IDE. It's a text editor, which approaches a fundamentally different facet of writing code. Plugins with Package Control also make it easy to get more IDE-like features -- do you think that they're not discoverable enough, maybe? How could it be improved?
- pvg 9y ago
  I use Sublime, own a Sublime license, etc. I'm not talking about the colours and icons - just that it doesn't use native UI and what UI elements are implemented are quite clunky. It's very much not 'native the way Apple likes native'. It doesn't try to be an IDE so there wouldn't be much point in Apple buying it to 'compete with VS Code'. do you think that they're not discoverable enough, maybe? How could it be improved? Mostly, I think the Sublime developers don't consider this much of a priority and are ok with it being a clunkfest. Given that it's a small team making a living selling a niche cross-platform tool at a mere $70 a license, this is hardly unreasonable. But pretty or intuitive it ain't. Compare this to the extension/theme management or preferences UI in VS Code. It's also very much 'non-native' but usability is clearly something the developers are concerned about.
heartbreak 9y ago
How is this "completely alien-looking"? http://i.imgur.com/fp2Wzjc.png http://i.imgur.com/fp2Wzjc.png

filmgirlcw 9y ago

It's a fun thought, except it's not even "native" on Mac (it's C++ with some macOS/Cocoa bindings). I could never see Apple buying an app that wasn't built fully-native on their own platform, let alone a text editor. If Apple cared about a text editor, it would have bought TextMate years ago before that community migrated to Sublime (and some members of then migrated to Atom).

52-6F-62 9y ago
Is there any one editor that exists in prominence like this outside of fully-fledged IDE's and underdeveloped attempts? I haven't seen anything yet...
- giobox 9y ago
  Although they have the obvious Electron based complaints, increasingly Atom and VS Code are getting more and more popular. In my workplace these have now largely replaced what was once pretty much a Sublime only shop. For my needs, Atom's third party package community has evolved at a pace far beyond what I experienced with Sublime. I of course still miss Sublime's superb speed, and ability to handle extremely large files without barfing. Mac users have also been big on using BBEdit for a long, long time.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    Ah, I've tried all of them but because of this thread I'm trying VSCode again. It feels a little more robust, if a little more rigid than Atom. It's not a bad thing. I do like Atom, but experience the same complaints everybody else does there. Still a great project. Just was curious if there was some hidden gem not yet seen. I wonder if that would be a worthwhile undertaking -- a new native (even if its mac-only) robust editor...
    - pvg 9y ago
      TextMate is still around and at this point works more or less like OG TextMate did back in the day. It does one thing that most other OS X editors don't: it displays TextMate themes in the colour space they were originally designed in.

emanuelsaringan 9y ago

Then, for the sake of the tradition of naming things badly, they should name it XCode Code.

mwcremer 9y ago

Ahem. Xcode.