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> I think the trick here is that they don't want to completely break the capability for people to make money off of serving ads and people seeing those ads. Yo

> I think the trick here is that they don't want to completely break the capability for people to make money off of serving ads and people seeing those ads. You appear to be in agreement with my original point: Brave is advertising middleware and privacy intrusion branded as an ad blocker and privacy protector.

AndrewKemendo 9y ago
Except you can be both an ad blocker/privacy protector and still serve relevant ads.
- outsidetheparty 9y ago
  Personally I prefer the ad blockers that don't serve ads and the privacy protectors that don't invade my privacy. But to each his own I guess.
  - jonathansampson 9y ago
    The default behavior of Brave is to _block ads, trackers, and fingerprinting_. The ability to show safe, relevant ads is part of a future opt-in component of Brave. As always, Brave is hosted in the open: https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/ https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/
    - outsidetheparty 9y ago
      I'm glad to hear that ad blocking is now the default. You might consider rewriting the FAQ page that your CEO described as "out of date" which repeatedly refers to ad replacement in the present tense; I see no mention anywhere that it's "part of a future opt-in component", welcome though that news is. The blog post at https://www.brave.com/blogpost_2.html https://www.brave.com/blogpost_2.html from January also describes ad replacement as a current feature, and as the default behavior, not opt-in; and seems to indicate that it is using the tracking and fingerprinting behavior described above: > You’re game to try our default mode of operation, for a better ad-supported Web. Just leave the Replace Ads item checked. This is the default mode of operation. We insert ads after blocking without hurting page load speed, and those ads will support the sites you browse. We choose ads based on browser-private user data with no remote tracking -- not even by our servers. So I'm not entirely sure what to make of your description of it as a 'future component', as that seems in conflict with much of your marketing material. (I do see you've added a disclaimer to your "About ad replacement" page at https://brave.com/about_ad_replacement.html https://brave.com/about_ad_replacement.html which I'm pretty sure wasn't there when I made the comments you're responding to. Perhaps this is a recent change in your software? Did you used to have ad replacement built in as the default, then removed it?) (Edited to add: on closer reading I do see that that blog post is describing a "mock user interface", so perhaps I've misunderstood the mixture of present and future tense within the rest of the text as referring to actual, rather than planned, implementation. You guys could certainly stand to be a lot clearer about what your product is and isn't doing, especially since it seems to change fairly frequently.)

AndrewKemendo 9y ago

Except you can be both an ad blocker/privacy protector and still serve relevant ads.

outsidetheparty 9y ago
Personally I prefer the ad blockers that don't serve ads and the privacy protectors that don't invade my privacy. But to each his own I guess.
- jonathansampson 9y ago
  The default behavior of Brave is to _block ads, trackers, and fingerprinting_. The ability to show safe, relevant ads is part of a future opt-in component of Brave. As always, Brave is hosted in the open: https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/ https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop/
  - outsidetheparty 9y ago
    I'm glad to hear that ad blocking is now the default. You might consider rewriting the FAQ page that your CEO described as "out of date" which repeatedly refers to ad replacement in the present tense; I see no mention anywhere that it's "part of a future opt-in component", welcome though that news is. The blog post at https://www.brave.com/blogpost_2.html https://www.brave.com/blogpost_2.html from January also describes ad replacement as a current feature, and as the default behavior, not opt-in; and seems to indicate that it is using the tracking and fingerprinting behavior described above: > You’re game to try our default mode of operation, for a better ad-supported Web. Just leave the Replace Ads item checked. This is the default mode of operation. We insert ads after blocking without hurting page load speed, and those ads will support the sites you browse. We choose ads based on browser-private user data with no remote tracking -- not even by our servers. So I'm not entirely sure what to make of your description of it as a 'future component', as that seems in conflict with much of your marketing material. (I do see you've added a disclaimer to your "About ad replacement" page at https://brave.com/about_ad_replacement.html https://brave.com/about_ad_replacement.html which I'm pretty sure wasn't there when I made the comments you're responding to. Perhaps this is a recent change in your software? Did you used to have ad replacement built in as the default, then removed it?) (Edited to add: on closer reading I do see that that blog post is describing a "mock user interface", so perhaps I've misunderstood the mixture of present and future tense within the rest of the text as referring to actual, rather than planned, implementation. You guys could certainly stand to be a lot clearer about what your product is and isn't doing, especially since it seems to change fairly frequently.)