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1 in 9 TX Students Here Due to Illegal Immigration–Cost Texas $7.87B Annually

7 points by aaronchall 9y ago

Gibbon1 9y ago
A Neoliberal would say that students whose papers aren't in order cost the state $7.87b annually. A socialist of some stripe would say that those students provide an opportunity to invest $7.87b annually.
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abootstrapper 9y ago
This website is trash.
blacksqr 9y ago
It's well-known to everyone who knows anything about the subject that undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes than they consume in social services.
- e9 9y ago
  Please provide evidence for this claim.
  - dreamthtwasrome 9y ago
    Your ignorance is the evidence. A valid social security number is required for filing taxes and receiving a tax refund. Instead, undocumented people pay taxes and pay for services Americans all use like Medicare and Social Security. Plus, they do jobs lazy Americans scoff at. Without undocumented immigrants, a steak at the supermarket would cost $200 and lettuce would be $20 per head. So take your thinly-veiled, provincial xenophobia, and shove it up your ignorant behind where it belongs.
    - e9 9y ago
      no xenophobia here, I don't know where you got this from. I was genuinely interested in knowing. This stuff is not obvious and what you provided is not evidence but your opinion. Please provide some articles/research/concrete numbers. I am genuinely interested in knowing the impact.
    - legostormtroopr 9y ago
      You say "do jobs lazy Americans scoff at", I say "drive down labor costs by accepting below minimum wage, thereby pricing citizens out of the market". Plenty of citizens would be laborers and fruit pickers, just not at $5-$8 an hour that is the going rate.
e9 9y ago
It all comes down to either you value each life equally or not. If yes then there should not be borders at all. Until this happens it's very unfair to encourage illegal immigration. If I break the law and rob a bank and give 1M dollars of stolen money to my kids, I will go to jail and 1M dollars will be taken away from my kids. I broke the law and kids should blame me for money taken away. This is no different with illegal immigration, if you come illegally and break the law you and your kids should be deported regardless if they were born in USA. This is only fair and kids should blame their parents not the country.
- rollingpebbles 9y ago
  That's a false dichotomy followed by a false equivalency. Escaping certain death in Honduras to work as a bus-boy or entrepreneur creating 20 jobs isn't anything like robbing a bank. There is no process for waiting for bureacratic paperwork and understaffed consulates as one escapes a dangerous situation because American agribusiness encourages undocumented migration. In Mexico, the American meat-packing industry advertises wages in local newspapers to encourage people to migrate. Furthermore, only token raids happen near the five major meat-processing facilities because the corporations have a strong lobby. Guest worker programs need to be readily-accessible. If ICE/CBP really wanted to do their jobs, the State Dept would have sufficient capacity and outreach to process many more people however they come and reward people for becoming documented. Criminalizing otherwise honest people escaping certain death or looking for seasonal work isn't either humane nor reflects well upon the country, it only benefits the corporate, for-profit prisons like NWDC run by companies like GEO Group.
  - e9 9y ago
    But that was my exact point, if life of American is equivalent to life of Honduran then there should be no borders. I am all about that, I would be more than happy with open borders because life is equal. But current immigration laws are treating American lives above anyone else's lives and therefore by current laws Honduran in your story should be dead and by current law it would be fair. This brings me to the point of laws and fairness, I am not ok with unfairly treating honest people trying to immigrate through legal means. It is absolutely unfair for legal immigrant to suffer through the process just to find out that illegal immigrant skipped all that and his/her kids got same rights etc. It is also unfair to people who don't have courage to commit a crime (illegally immigrate). Open borders would solve those issues though.
rollingpebbles 9y ago
This article should be flagged; it's alt-right, hate-mongering propaganda.

7 points by aaronchall 9y ago

A Neoliberal would say that students whose papers aren't in order cost the state $7.87b annually. A socialist of some stripe would say that those students provide an opportunity to invest $7.87b annually.

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abootstrapper 9y ago

This website is trash.

blacksqr 9y ago

It's well-known to everyone who knows anything about the subject that undocumented immigrants pay more in taxes than they consume in social services.

e9 9y ago
Please provide evidence for this claim.
- dreamthtwasrome 9y ago
  Your ignorance is the evidence. A valid social security number is required for filing taxes and receiving a tax refund. Instead, undocumented people pay taxes and pay for services Americans all use like Medicare and Social Security. Plus, they do jobs lazy Americans scoff at. Without undocumented immigrants, a steak at the supermarket would cost $200 and lettuce would be $20 per head. So take your thinly-veiled, provincial xenophobia, and shove it up your ignorant behind where it belongs.
  - e9 9y ago
    no xenophobia here, I don't know where you got this from. I was genuinely interested in knowing. This stuff is not obvious and what you provided is not evidence but your opinion. Please provide some articles/research/concrete numbers. I am genuinely interested in knowing the impact.
  - legostormtroopr 9y ago
    You say "do jobs lazy Americans scoff at", I say "drive down labor costs by accepting below minimum wage, thereby pricing citizens out of the market". Plenty of citizens would be laborers and fruit pickers, just not at $5-$8 an hour that is the going rate.

e9 9y ago

It all comes down to either you value each life equally or not. If yes then there should not be borders at all. Until this happens it's very unfair to encourage illegal immigration. If I break the law and rob a bank and give 1M dollars of stolen money to my kids, I will go to jail and 1M dollars will be taken away from my kids. I broke the law and kids should blame me for money taken away. This is no different with illegal immigration, if you come illegally and break the law you and your kids should be deported regardless if they were born in USA. This is only fair and kids should blame their parents not the country.

rollingpebbles 9y ago
That's a false dichotomy followed by a false equivalency. Escaping certain death in Honduras to work as a bus-boy or entrepreneur creating 20 jobs isn't anything like robbing a bank. There is no process for waiting for bureacratic paperwork and understaffed consulates as one escapes a dangerous situation because American agribusiness encourages undocumented migration. In Mexico, the American meat-packing industry advertises wages in local newspapers to encourage people to migrate. Furthermore, only token raids happen near the five major meat-processing facilities because the corporations have a strong lobby. Guest worker programs need to be readily-accessible. If ICE/CBP really wanted to do their jobs, the State Dept would have sufficient capacity and outreach to process many more people however they come and reward people for becoming documented. Criminalizing otherwise honest people escaping certain death or looking for seasonal work isn't either humane nor reflects well upon the country, it only benefits the corporate, for-profit prisons like NWDC run by companies like GEO Group.
- e9 9y ago
  But that was my exact point, if life of American is equivalent to life of Honduran then there should be no borders. I am all about that, I would be more than happy with open borders because life is equal. But current immigration laws are treating American lives above anyone else's lives and therefore by current laws Honduran in your story should be dead and by current law it would be fair. This brings me to the point of laws and fairness, I am not ok with unfairly treating honest people trying to immigrate through legal means. It is absolutely unfair for legal immigrant to suffer through the process just to find out that illegal immigrant skipped all that and his/her kids got same rights etc. It is also unfair to people who don't have courage to commit a crime (illegally immigrate). Open borders would solve those issues though.

rollingpebbles 9y ago

This article should be flagged; it's alt-right, hate-mongering propaganda.