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Look, there's no dispute that Facebook is an assault on the 'open web' because it's a walled garden where the data only flows in. In fact, on the HN thread for
by niftich 9y ago
Look, there's no dispute that Facebook is an assault on the 'open web' because it's a walled garden where the data only flows in. In fact, on the HN thread for Gruber's previous post about Google's AMP, I defended [1] some aspects of AMP because at least it tries to be distributed vs. Facebook, and in that post I echo much of what Gruber would later say.
But sadly, today's so-called 'open web' is just as much of an assault on the open web: trackers, cookies, and cross-correlated advertisements follow the user everywhere; every new link is literally a crapshoot which may execute arbitrary code placed there by the webmaster or their delegates. It's the devil you know vs. the devil that's brand-new every time: do I want my browsing habits aggregated to help them better target ads and content for me inside some walled garden, or do I want my browsing habits across the 'open web' to be aggregated by a dozen third parties to help them better target ads for me on the outside, while I blissfully extoll the virtues of decentralization and pretend I'm better off?
Until recently, the only way to avoid this was to spin off a clean incognito session in a browser running only one window, then close it after every pageview. Who does that? Short of a very particular few, no one.
The web is a wonderful, versatile medium of referencible documents and multimedia that we've turned into an application delivery platform; and the one thing that content silos like Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and Apple News get right is that not everyone cares to visit unvetted content solely judged by its URL.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14384607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14384607
- aethertron 9y ago>Look, there's no dispute that Facebook is an assault on the 'open web' because it's a walled garden where the data only flows in. I dispute that. I don't feel like my 'open' WordPress blogs are being attacked by Facebook. Does Facebook's lack of full-blown openness constitute an attack on anything? I don't think it does. It seems open web advocates resent that FB successfully competes against their offering. I have a fondness for the open web. I'd rather see us learn from FB, and compete, rather than whine about losing market share.
- smichel17 9y ago> Until recently, the only way to avoid this was to spin off a clean incognito session in a browser running only one window, then close it after every pageview. What other solution are you implying by "until recently"? > Who does that? Short of a very particular few, no one. I'm probably one of the particular few, but I've found it very painless to 1) Install and use firefox's containers experiment 2) Install the "private tab" addon 3) In about:config, remap <Ctrl-t> to open a new private tab Now new tabs are private by default (although they share cookies within a browser session), and if I want to keep cookies or history I open a new container tab... with nearly zero change in my workflow. Apologies for lack of links; I'm on mobile.