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Yes, but bear in mind: * where else will people go? The UK, for example, is also in an anti-immigrant mood. Though Canada may still be good. * the current pol

by waqf 9y ago

Yes, but bear in mind: * where else will people go? The UK, for example, is also in an anti-immigrant mood. Though Canada may still be good. * the current political climate in the US is ... unstable. It'll be significantly different in a year or two, one way or another.

weaksauce 9y ago
Canada has always been fairly hard to get into... just like most countries you have to bring more to the table than they would be giving you.
LaurensBER 9y ago
The rest of Europa still welcomes immigrants. Berlin might not be silicon valley but the're enough exciting opportunities there and you could argue that the quality of living is higher than the bay area. Besides that Amsterdam, Paris and Barcelona are also great contenders. All have their upsides and downsides but any decent software engineer is going to be able to live an enjoyable life there. Australia is also a great option, migrating there is a tad more difficult but a young software engineer is very welcome. Capital requirements if you're older are really steep though.
blibble 9y ago
the UK could be broadly described as anti-low-skilled immigration most of the UK electorate support increasing the level of highly skilled migration http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/half-of-british-public-support-more-immigration-of-highly-skilled-workers-poll-suggests-a7687086.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/half-of-britis...
- waqf 9y ago
  That's hardly the same as a guarantee that highly skilled immigrants and their families don't face difficulties and risks in coming to the UK. For example, last time I looked at the UK papers they were full of cases of EU citizens, who should have indefinite leave to reside in the UK, being harrassed by the Home Office and threatened with deportation.
  - blibble 9y ago
    every case I've read about has received the standard automatic rejection letter for not filling in the form correctly (e.g. for not including your passport) given the Home Office never expected EU migrants to apply for permanent residency, the response was appropriate prior to the referendum result it no longer is, and the Home Office now have updated guidance on the matter I'm sure it wasn't nice to receive that letter, but it just a case of the government bureaucratic machine responding at glacial speed to change, as normal
devnonymous 9y ago
Fwiw, I've been to the US on business trips a few times and about 5 years ago, I decided to not consider US as a long term possibility. I have since then spent 2.5 years in Singapore[1], 1.5 in Germany and now will be moving to Ireland (hopefully for a longer term). Even though I know deep down somewhere that I'm sacrificing the potential of advancing financially and careerwise, I still don't feel I'm actually welcomed in the US, like I felt in all these other countries. [1] yes, I know about the rep it has but unless you have lived and experienced it, you would never realise that there really isn't a "one true way" of democracy and everything is a trade-off. That's all I'm saying about that.

by waqf 9y ago

weaksauce 9y ago

Canada has always been fairly hard to get into... just like most countries you have to bring more to the table than they would be giving you.

LaurensBER 9y ago

The rest of Europa still welcomes immigrants. Berlin might not be silicon valley but the're enough exciting opportunities there and you could argue that the quality of living is higher than the bay area. Besides that Amsterdam, Paris and Barcelona are also great contenders. All have their upsides and downsides but any decent software engineer is going to be able to live an enjoyable life there. Australia is also a great option, migrating there is a tad more difficult but a young software engineer is very welcome. Capital requirements if you're older are really steep though.

blibble 9y ago

the UK could be broadly described as anti-low-skilled immigration most of the UK electorate support increasing the level of highly skilled migration http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/half-of-british-public-support-more-immigration-of-highly-skilled-workers-poll-suggests-a7687086.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/half-of-britis...

waqf 9y ago
That's hardly the same as a guarantee that highly skilled immigrants and their families don't face difficulties and risks in coming to the UK. For example, last time I looked at the UK papers they were full of cases of EU citizens, who should have indefinite leave to reside in the UK, being harrassed by the Home Office and threatened with deportation.
- blibble 9y ago
  every case I've read about has received the standard automatic rejection letter for not filling in the form correctly (e.g. for not including your passport) given the Home Office never expected EU migrants to apply for permanent residency, the response was appropriate prior to the referendum result it no longer is, and the Home Office now have updated guidance on the matter I'm sure it wasn't nice to receive that letter, but it just a case of the government bureaucratic machine responding at glacial speed to change, as normal

devnonymous 9y ago

Fwiw, I've been to the US on business trips a few times and about 5 years ago, I decided to not consider US as a long term possibility. I have since then spent 2.5 years in Singapore[1], 1.5 in Germany and now will be moving to Ireland (hopefully for a longer term). Even though I know deep down somewhere that I'm sacrificing the potential of advancing financially and careerwise, I still don't feel I'm actually welcomed in the US, like I felt in all these other countries. [1] yes, I know about the rep it has but unless you have lived and experienced it, you would never realise that there really isn't a "one true way" of democracy and everything is a trade-off. That's all I'm saying about that.