> As far as I can tell such a thing can not exist, random means not a function of the current state, a function of the current state means not random, there is

> As far as I can tell such a thing can not exist, random means not a function of the current state, a function of the current state means not random, there is no room for a third option. That's an very good and intuitive point, thanks. Winner in the "shut down the old, silly, unproductive discussion in the least amount of sentences" category.